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I don't think you understand collision domains.
I understand that a WiFi LAN is one.
Every port on a switch is one.
The Framework Laptop
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I felt that way until I got my hands on a Surface Book. They did a good job on that one, still holding up after 4+ years of constant use.
Yeah, the surface line seems to have quite-acceptable trackpads. I have an SP4, and the keyboard-cover's is... a bit strange to the touch (highly textured), but works reliably. Unlike so many other brands. The vast majority I've used have been an endless stream of frustration and flakiness.
I have an SP4 as well and enjoyed the touchpad on it. I don't think it is as good as the macbook one, but the surface makes up for this with the touch screen. I would often mix it up between screen and touchpad touches to navigate and I miss it now I am using a macbook.
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For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…
Funny you say that. I'm a long-time MacBook Pro user, that migrated to Microsoft (!) Surface Go (!!) running Windows 10 (!!!) recently. Not only is the OS tolerable (after I figured how to prevent crashes ... I mean, automatic updates) and the device more convenient than any I've used before (a real computer in the iPad form factor), the trackpad is amazing as well, I truly don't notice any difference with MacBook Pr…
Are you Bill Gates?
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#714Hey wow, I love this idea, this design philosophy, and this commitment to reuse. It occurs to me it may also solve another complaint I've always had with laptops, that you have to find the machine whose screen, trackpad, keyboard, weight, etc. ALL match your wishlist (with a desktop you buy the display you want, the external keyboard you want, the external mouse/trackball you want). This device lends itself to custom…
We do plan to offer Dvorak, Workman, and Colemak keyboards. In a normal laptop, it would never really be feasible to do this because you'd be sitting on a lot of really niche, expensive inventory. In our case, the input assembly is one of the configurable items in the Framework Laptop DIY Edition, so we only have to stock the variants of that module, rather than full laptops.
This lets us cover languages and layouts that have historically been missing from notebooks.
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Our Embedded Controller firmware is based on chromium ec, and we're using a mature off the shelf BIOS solution shipping in other notebooks today. We chose our key components with driver stability across both Windows and Linux in mind. We know this is something we have to get right to deliver a credible competitor to all the great notebooks already in the market, so it is something we focused on from the start.
if you have a fingerprint reader that works in Linux I'm in!
My Thinkpad fingerprint reader works in Linux. Well, it works perhaps 80-85% of the time. See https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231185/fingerprint-login-in...
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I feel like the XPS 13 trackpad is fine, what's your beef with it?
XPS trackpads have always been number one, from the very beginning. I'm working with a 10 year old laptop and its trackpad has performed flawlessly and is superior to any MacBook I've ever used (but especially older ones). My XPS has the advantage of two physical buttons for left and right click. They require just the right amount of force to press (like a slightly softer mouse button with deeper travel). It makes dr…
> Trying to hold down the giant button (which takes quite a bit of force) while trying to drag your finger... ugh. It's miserable.
Not wishing to detract from your personal experience but "quite a bit of force" is at odds to mine - on this M1 MBP, it takes less force to activate the trackpad click than it does to activate a keypress. And once you've clicked, you can use a second figure to drag; no need to try and drag with the force finger (I use my thumb to click for power*, then index to drag for accuracy.)
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> You... you do realize that you can’t order a PC laptop with a Mac trackpad, right? You can as long as you can order x86 Macs with Bootcamp. > No one is like, “I could have the Mac trackpad for the same cost, but I prefer the stuttery trackpad that moves the cursor and selects bleep when my palm gets too close”. No, but there are plenty of people who think “I prefer no trackpad to accidentally swipe [—even if palm r…
It seems like you've moved the goalposts from your original claim/implication that non-Mac trackpads are more popular to "not everyone likes trackpads". As far as I know, no one has argued that everyone likes trackpads?
My implication was that the fact that many people use trackpads doesn’t somehow prove that trackpads are a good tool (as reaperducer seemed to imply) (despite the fact that people can’t easily get laptops without them) any more than the fact that many people use non-Apple trackpads somehow proves that non-Apple trackpads are better (despite the fact that many people can’t easily get laptops they like without them).
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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).
For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…
It's funny that PC and Android can never reach the smoothness of Apple's touch pad and screen scroll when it's really the basic thing of computer usage where it matters.
Apple did it right 15 years ago and why do others still suck at it?
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#719Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).
For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…
It is true. Or at least, in my experience, I have no data to contradict this.
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I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.
I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).
Have you used an xps? I really like my trackpad. Haven't use apple's