It’s really refreshing initiative in the laptop market.
But how are those planned to be distributed outside the us?
Will they use local distributors like other companies?
Are they expect to have international warranty?
The Framework Laptop
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Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone? I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc. Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose t…
+1 to this, except I would like a plastic alternative to the aluminum in the case as well. While it's commendable that framework is picking those materials to environmentally conscious - I have had such terrible past experiences with "aluminum" body laptops triggering eczema outbreaks[1] - that I avoid metal cases as a rule now. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291384767_Allergy_r... TLDR: many metallic c…
Wouldn't a case or skin be a better solution to this than a plastic housing?
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#633Note that while such projects are very promising, you can already get many customizations at buying time for regular laptops if you buy them on platforms such as
https://www.hidevolution.com
It allowed to change the RAM & Disk but more customization are possible
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#634What is really needed is a common chassis. A common carcass that allows me the put whatever I want inside it. If I want a pinebook[1], I want to be able to put pinebook guts inside it, if I want a mnt reform[2], I want to be able to put mnt reform guts inside it. Too bad eoma68[3] is still sci-fi. [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/ [2] https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-p... [3] https://…
There's a lot more to building laptop than putting different components together. Portability, mobility, heat dissipation, design to put as many things as safely (and profitably) possible etc.
Building a desktop is relatively easy. Desktop is designed to be stationary and it's a lot more forgiving when connecting parts. There's a lot more room to manoeuvre and for heat dissipation.
I think to achieve the purpose, where end-user will be able easily customise a laptop will require a larger footprint and won't be appealing to many users.
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> Show me a better multi-purpose input device that I can use to rotate objects on a screen. Or zoom into a specific object without affecting other objects on a screen. I agree with you in general, but a trackpad is in fact really, truly horrible for these tasks. As humans we are designed to rotate objects precisely, and that design does not involve using two fingers to slide about arbitrary locations on a flat plane.…
I think you missed the goal of the multi-purpose requirement. Proselytizing custom input controls for every possible task on a portable device is...weird.
Some dials would be pretty cool on a laptop, though... it just makes the lid harder to close.
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#636This is a little off-topic, but it makes me proud that HN can have two major IPOs (one coinbase!) on the front page, but the top story is a damn-cool laptop we all want to tinker with.
We have not been subsumed by The Man yet :-)
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#637Earlier quoted context omitted.
A Gigabit Ethernet Expansion Card is on our roadmap, though it is going to look a little goofy compared to the other cards, since it won't fit entirely in the current envelope.
I'll second the parent's request for an RJ45 Ethernet port. It can't possibly look any goofier than an Expresscard Ethernet adapter! One easy way to get it to fit would be to make the module thicker. To avoid the whole thing sitting at an angle in the existing envelope, you'd want to replace the little adhesive-secured feet with taller, screw-secured feet to give it clearance. I'm a controls engineer and am constantl…
I wouldn't want it to be too thick, but I have to agree that a quality keyboard is SUPER important. At the very least, 2mm travel is much nicer than 1.5mm.
And because it's modular, they might as well add a programmable ortholinear option! It would be a first in the laptop world, and may actually be successful due to the rising popularity of ergonomics.
Maybe the 2mm ortho could have standard qwerty labels printed on the side of the keycaps, so it's not as obnoxious when people bind different layouts or macros.
If I were to buy one, I would also buy the 15" version. Old thinkpads are awesome.
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> easily controllable, different speeds This is why I like having not just ^f/b full page, {}() paragraph and sentence, and of course j/k line scrolling but also ^u/d half-page scrolling so much that I mapped them it U and D in Zathura and Pentadactyl just for the centimeter of finger movement that saves.
The funny thing is (){} are much further from where your fingers are at home than the track pad is from your thumbs on space.
{} are approximately as far but they’re in the same direction that your fingers naturally point. () are farther but as words in the languages of vi and vim they're a powerful operator that have no mouse equivalent (unlike w[ords] and {} paragraphs/lines which have double-click and triple-click). Editing the middle of a sentence, then deciding to move it to a footnote is IMO easier with `di(}p` or `di(Gp`¹ than with `bend thumb/wrist backwards / arm up and to the right, drag thumb to end of sentence, double-click drag to select one word at a time to the other end, release and drag sentence down precise number of lines to next paragraph or all the way to the end of the document (or how I would move the selection, Backspace, PageDown to the end, Shift+Insert)"
¹Let me test that. I like digraphs a heck of a lot more than scrolling through a symbol list btw. This was also a nice use for marks.
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#639Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).
For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…
I think that since they manufacture so many other touch devices that the software, data and or expertise in designing those devices transfers over into touchpads.
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#640Love what you are building and rooting for this. I've been waiting for something like this for atleast 10 years