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Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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Lets examine these "claims" a bit more closely... It’s a bloated script that affects your site speed Everything affects sites-peed. However its 19KB, thats not awful. It’s overkill for the majority of site owners Yes, agreed. But so what. It’s a privacy liability and requires an extensive privacy policy Would be nice if if it offered specifics on the "liability" but it does not. And for the weight of an "extensive pr…

> Again, what!? I'm not seeing these prompts.

Apparently it means prompts for privacy stuff.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

#242

Lets examine these "claims" a bit more closely... It’s a bloated script that affects your site speed Everything affects sites-peed. However its 19KB, thats not awful. It’s overkill for the majority of site owners Yes, agreed. But so what. It’s a privacy liability and requires an extensive privacy policy Would be nice if if it offered specifics on the "liability" but it does not. And for the weight of an "extensive pr…

Google analytics code is 19k, then it still has to do all the analytics.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

#243

The author blames Google for the fact that recipe sites force you to wade through a long preamble before you get to the recipe. But if internet advertising didn't exist, then the recipe site would be charging him for the recipe. Recipe authors have to make a living somehow. If he doesn't want ads in his recipes, then he could always go out and buy a recipe book.

I don't understand all this whining about recipes sites. I have never had a problem with them and I am using an 8 year old creaky laptop.

And Nigellas' or the Hairybikers sites are not encumbered with adds.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huh? Analytics is how you focus on your product. For the first decade of my career, I really believed this, and spent a lot of time doing split tests, and studying analytics, and trying to "make things better" by understanding the numbers as they were given to me. This was a mistake. I've since learned that these numbers will rarely help me make meaningful improvements to my product, and my business. Sure, they can…

You're essentially arguing for qualitative data instead of quantitative, but both together is usually where the money is. I agree that qualitative analytics are underestimatd because they're hard to do, but I also think that having quantitative analytics together with qualitative allows you to contextualize your numbers in ways that lead to insights you wouldn't have otherwise. Also, after you've already reached prod…

I think you may be right; after all, thinking critically about my story above, I did spend quite a lot of time learning about analytics and quantitative numbers. It could be this gave me an intuitive sense of what works, which I could then apply to the more creative thinking. I don't know. Either way, I'm grateful to make a living the way I do.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

#245

Lets examine these "claims" a bit more closely... It’s a bloated script that affects your site speed Everything affects sites-peed. However its 19KB, thats not awful. It’s overkill for the majority of site owners Yes, agreed. But so what. It’s a privacy liability and requires an extensive privacy policy Would be nice if if it offered specifics on the "liability" but it does not. And for the weight of an "extensive pr…

Come on dude, you gotta read like, the next sentence where it says these points are a summary of the details here:

https://plausible.io/blog/remove-google-analytics#its-owned-...

eg "It uses cookies so you must obtain consent to store cookies" GDPR prompts.

and

"According to Google: “you must ensure that certain disclosures are given to, and consents obtained from, end users in the European Economic Area along with the UK. If you fail to comply with this policy, we may limit or suspend your use of the Google product and/or terminate your agreement”."

Hyperlinking to more detail is a great thing to do when making an argument. If you're skeptical, follow the link and decide if it's really supporting evidence or you disagree. It's one way opinion writing can be vastly better in the age of hypertext than it was in the days of newsprint editorial.

I'm absolutely in favour of this kind of thing!

(Not a web guy, suspicious of goog, facebrick, but don't know enough to have a fully formed opinion on web analytics yet. Hyperlinked supported opinion is good.)

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As long as your product is good enough, no one needs a marketing budget or to measure if marketing is working. Let's say you make an incredible mousetrap, better than any before. Then you tell some people about it, they buy it, and stop thinking about it because it isn't central to their existence. You've now saturated your market and have no ability to expand easily without putting effort into marketing or advertis…

Should've added /s instead of relying on sarcasm detection.

Yeah, it's hard to detect when a large number of people within this community actually believe what you're being sarcastic about.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for succinctly recapping the core issue here. Another externality from all this is the growth of misinformation, which our species seems so unaware and defenseless against.

I seem to recall conspiracy theories abounding in the days of Usenet

Yeah and most of our families were into usenet. Usenet also pioneered tailoring what to show to maximize "engagement" so the number of people taken in by conspiracies has actually decreased now. Thanks google. Thanks facebook. You always know what's best for us!

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

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On a tangent, but related IMO: the whole WWW seems gross now. The other day on that Mold linker project: > I wanted to use the linker to link a Chromium executable with full debug info (~2 GiB in size) just in 1 second. LLVM's lld, the fastest open-source linker which I originally created a few years ago, takes about 12 seconds to link Chromium on my machine. As much as I like that linker project, I can't help but fe…

You ask: "How can it make sense in a sane world for a web browser to take up more space than entire operating systems?"

The last 30 years of the web has slowly evolved the web browser into its own operating system. Google Chrome is now a pretty hefty code base that depends on distributed builds [1] for compilation to complete in a timely manner.

The fact that Microsoft threw in the towel [2] and decided to build on top of Chrome is testament to the enormous man-years that has been put into Chrome.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14734171

2: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/06/micro...

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

#249

I'm coming around to the idea that Google (and Facebook etc) need to be called out and held accountable for the "negative externalities" that come with their business model, the same as if a company was polluting the physical environment. Google has turned much of the internet into a wasteland (there are examples as it related to news in the article but this is true for most content). They don't have to pay for this…

>Google has turned much of the internet into a wasteland I think I understand what you mean but would benefit from an explanation of that point

Search results show listicle articles, low value blog spam, etc. Youtube videos are unnecessarily long. Etc, etc.

Re: Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

#250
The funny thing is that this is essentially a giant ad for this person's business, and their website uses GA (lol). I've noticed this is an increasingly popular tactic on Reddit and HN. You clickbait people to an article backed with no data that you know will tickle people's emotions. Then at the end you include a call to action to use their service because it will save the world.

I used to hate GA as well as ads in general when I had never tried to start my own business. I had the typical Reddit/HN anti-FB-and-Goog mindset. After trying to start one, I completely changed my mind. I couldn't find a reliable way to put my site in front of customers without ads. I guess if you're popular and have a huge social media reach that might be enough, but for someone with no social media presence it can be tough.

Once you start spending in ads as a small business, it's useful to have some data to understand what the hell is happening to all that money. I spent thousands on FB, Google, and Reddit ads and it's extremely difficult to find out what is happening and which ones are working. How do you know which people are coming from which ad? Which ones are real people vs bots?

I strongly recommend people try to make a website/app without being popular on social media and try to get people to use it without using ads. Places like Reddit are generally against self-promotion. If you Tweet/post into the ether of Twitter/FB no one is going to randomly see your post. After using ads, I've started to pay closer attention to ads instead of instantly ignoring them. It turns out that they are frequently useful. For example the other day I was searching for services for hiring a remote contractor and the ads were more relevant than the search results.

As for this article, I don't really follow the logic. A lot of it seems to be backed by the knee-jerk emotional hate people have for powerful companies. For instance, when talking about how Google uses GA:

> we don’t even need to speculate. It seems pretty obvious to me that they’re using it to guzzle up even more data and to crap out ever more gold ingots.

Every time I see the word obvious, that is a sign that a big leap of non-obvious logic has been taken. It is not obvious that GA is being used for bad things, maybe Google just makes a ton of money because their products are useful. The rest of it also seems mostly backed by emotion. I guess these type of emotional anti-big-tech articles are quite popular here though. It seems like every day there is a new one.

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