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Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by TheRealPomax »

jug wrote: post #136
TheRealPomax wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realise how weird this sounds, right? Presumably you donate because you care about the Mozilla mission, and those ads are there because donations alone aren't enough, and relying purely on Google's money is also not a great strategy. What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? And it's still Firefox: if you're upset enough to consider "migration to a different browser", why not instead get upset en…

> What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? You're talking of Bitcoin donations, right? ;-)

Not after the Tesla thing =D

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by bromuro »

ycombinete wrote: post #95

What do people use Picture in Picture for? I have still never found a use for it, on any of the devices I have that support it.

Yeah I hate when i click that button. if i want to do something else i close the video.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by labawi »

corobo wrote: post #17

And ads in the address bar search results. https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433 E: saved you a click on my own link. In about:config you can disable this by setting the following to false browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites

At this point, I dream of a competitor arriving. One that that would be supported by the community and actually care about competent users, like Firefox once was.

AFAICT, Firefox (Mozilla Corporation) wants dumb users, an expanding platform they control and ad money.

There is no way to donate for Firefox development, nor can you pay for support, nor specific development or feature requests. People would throw money at them, yet they try finding creative ways to monetize their users in an effort to "diversify sources of income".

Meanwhile they continue to show they are in control of your browser - ignoring user preferences, hotpatching, A/B tests, dozens of requests without a single page open and no way to disable, numerous ways of advertising...

I still consider Firefox the lesser evil, but the stage is ripe for an uprising.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by TheRealPomax »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #71
TheRealPomax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's also Firefox, just go into about:config and turn it off if you don't like it and presto?

Yeah until the pref just stops working one day.

You just described all software ever released. Things always stop working one day and then we're forced to learn/get used to a new thing.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by notyourwork »

DangerousPie wrote: post #151
notyourwork wrote: post #79

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Why is the default enabled? Defaults are supposed to be sane and this is anything but sane or desired.

That is just a silly question. Of course nobody will go through the trouble of opening their settings just to enable ads. But if they are on by default many people (including me) won't mind them enough to bother turning them off again.

Its only silly if you look at it from one perspective. Looking at it from the customer's point of view, its quite reasonable. Looking at it from the business point of view, its justifiable experience degradation for cost of doing business.

I don't think as a user its unreasonable for me to expect software vendors to do the right thing for me. Whether they do it or not is their choice, I'm still rightfully allowed to complain about it.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by arprocter »

agumonkey wrote: post #78
arprocter wrote: post #21

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By default the button only shows on videos over 45 secs long You can change the default in about:config media.videocontrols.picture-in-picture.video-toggle.min-video-secs

Many thanks :)

No problem

I feel like it used to be 30 seconds, although I may be incorrect

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by orestarod »

symlinkk wrote: post #113
anonymousab wrote: post #107

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> No, donations are not cutting it It probably doesn't help that you can't choose to donate to/for Firefox. If you disagree with other things Mozilla is doing, perhaps moreso than the things you agree with, then you don't really have much options. For many people, advertisements - especially ones enabled without announcement, sneakily - are simply an unacceptable red line, nomatter how important Mozilla thinks they a…

Right, now the goalposts have shifted. You aren’t donating because “you can’t donate specifically to Firefox, only to Mozilla as a whole”. What ridiculous excuse will you people come up with next?

The problem is not that your donations will go to other things but including Firefox. The problem is that there is no way for the money of your donations to end up in funding Firefox development. Mozilla Foundation money does not flow towards Firefox corporation.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by DangerousPie »

notyourwork wrote: post #165
DangerousPie wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just a silly question. Of course nobody will go through the trouble of opening their settings just to enable ads. But if they are on by default many people (including me) won't mind them enough to bother turning them off again.

Its only silly if you look at it from one perspective. Looking at it from the customer's point of view, its quite reasonable. Looking at it from the business point of view, its justifiable experience degradation for cost of doing business. I don't think as a user its unreasonable for me to expect software vendors to do the right thing for me. Whether they do it or not is their choice, I'm still rightfully allowed to…

As a user I want them to do things that make business sense, because I want them to have the money to keep developing the browser. If that means an occasional minor inconvenience for me I'm okay with that.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by notyourwork »

DangerousPie wrote: post #168
notyourwork wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its only silly if you look at it from one perspective. Looking at it from the customer's point of view, its quite reasonable. Looking at it from the business point of view, its justifiable experience degradation for cost of doing business. I don't think as a user its unreasonable for me to expect software vendors to do the right thing for me. Whether they do it or not is their choice, I'm still rightfully allowed to…

As a user I want them to do things that make business sense, because I want them to have the money to keep developing the browser. If that means an occasional minor inconvenience for me I'm okay with that.

I don't use products that inconvenience me when there are other options available that provide superior experience.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by pentagrama »

morsch wrote: post #125
pentagrama wrote: post #24

I find useful the Picture-in-Picture feature when was introduced, but find it really annoying that the icon has to be visible on every video (on mouse hover), and I disable it. Hope they introduce an option to show a PiP icon on the address bar when a video is on the tab, which is less intrusive, like the Reader View icon/feature.

That's a terrible UI for pages with multiple videos.

Disagree.

When the page has multiple videos, the icon can show options to PiP them individually or PiP them all.

Also users should still have the option to show the PiP button over each video.

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