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Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by guywithabike »

masklinn wrote: post #104
bugsy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a former registered user of Kaleidoscope, I have to say it destabilized your system because of the necessary system hacks. What you say about Apple stealing good designs is definitely true ( http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ ), but Kaleidoscope had other issues.

> http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate…

Marco has talked about this extensively in his "Build and Analyze" podcast. He sees Safari's new reading list as a potential net benefit for Instapaper. "Gateway drug", as he calls it. I agree with him.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by calloc »

iaskwhy wrote: post #89
code_duck wrote: post #64

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The unix style of file locking sure is showing it's advantage over Windows. Not that rebooting for an OS upgrade is too onerous, but using Windows one has to reboot for the most trivial things - Adobe Acrobat, Skype updates and the like.

This has been said many times before but on OSX you actually need to reboot after updating Safari. I'm not 100% sure about iTunes but I believe it still needs a reboot after updating.

Hopefully that will get fixed. Generally the reason why the reboot is required is because WebKit gets updated and that is a library that is loaded into various different applications the best way to restart all of them is to reboot, with the new state keeping that Lion is doing that will become simpler.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by cefstat »

furyg3 wrote: post #7

Hmm... so what happens if my hard drive crashes and I replace it myself?

From https://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#interne...

Internet Restore and Utilities

* Built into Lion: OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

* Browse the web with Safari: Recovery mode now includes the Safari web browser, so you can check your email or browse the Apple Support site.

* Reinstall OS X: OS X can be reinstalled on your Mac from recovery mode.

* Restore from a Time Machine backup: Use recovery mode to restore your Mac from a Time Machine backup.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by bxr »

AllenKids wrote: post #119
randallsquared wrote: post #81

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Cherrypick, much? :) It seems that all your examples are cases where interoperability with or working like the Windows version is the primary required feature. For years after iTunes, there was no reasonable (GUI) alternative for MP3 playing, at the same time that iTunes was awful if you had a large, diverse collection without ID3 tags.

If you have a large diverse collection without ID3 tags you are pretty much fucked anyway. folders is extremely limited in sorting music which leaves you what? playlists?

>playlists?

Yeah, nobody would want to use those. They especially wouldn't want to build a playlist on the fly with their ipod.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by adamta »

ansy wrote: post #60
recoiledsnake wrote: post #46

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminde…

This is par for the course with Apple. I remember back in the day there was this super popular shareware app called Aaron that gave System 7 users a System 8 looking theme. Keep in mind this was the dark ages of Apple. Aaron evolved into Kaleidoscope. A general purpose shareware theme manager that was met with enthusiasm by the Mac community. Kaleidoscope was synonymous with themes on Mac OS. http://www.kaleidoscope.…

I remember Konfabulator and Watson (is that what it was called? The one that was ripped off as a new version of Sherlock back when that was still a thing), but I think you're mistaken about why Appearance Manager never took off. If I remember correctly, Apple just never provided external developers with theme authoring software or documentation for the theme format, because between the original DP period and the public release, they(/Steve) decided that they didn't particularly want to promote wildly different UI styles. They never even officially released the themes they had demoed, other than Platinum.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by calloc »

jevinskie wrote: post #2

It will be interesting to see how the OS installs over itself now that it is being distributed through the app store. I wonder if they will create a new partition with the installer and reboot into it.

On Unix systems you can replace files on disk without issues because of the way it does reference counting to the underlying file system. Unlike Windows where this is not possible.

I am better there is still one single reboot to start up the new kernel and whatnot. Although I can't find any details on it.

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Post by r00fus »

nettdata wrote: post #111
webfuel wrote: post #94

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Unless I missed something in the presentation, Lion Server isn't free. It's a separate app that costs $50 https://www.apple.com/macosx/server/

Ahhh... I was just going by what was reported by someone at the keynote. Still, it's priced way cheaper than the previous versions, and I'd gladly pay the $50 for the convenience of a local patch/app server. (I have 5 macs in the house). My biggest peeve is the download-only for the OS, as I have rather crappy internet access, and dread the thought of downloading a multi-GB update.

Perhaps the fact that they've recently discovered delta updates would make the download process a lot easier.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by bxr »

chrisjsmith wrote: post #103
mgkimsal wrote: post #92

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True, but if Vista was $29 more people might have done it in the first place.

There was so much bad PR, noone would bother. They tried to give corporate customers (select agreement sized ones) free copies and they said no.

I'm sure plenty of end users would have taken the offer, thats just because they're corporate customers. They never want the brand new thing. Not only is the supporting an os upgrade a pain in the ass long process that will also involve a lot of waiting around for all your vendors to get off their asses about supporting the new thing, at the time the prevailing wisdom was to never use windows before the first service pack. XP didn't really get good until sp2.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by herf »

code_duck wrote: post #64
sipefree wrote: post #50

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They said that the update is done in-place and apparently without a reboot.

The unix style of file locking sure is showing it's advantage over Windows. Not that rebooting for an OS upgrade is too onerous, but using Windows one has to reboot for the most trivial things - Adobe Acrobat, Skype updates and the like.

Potentially this uses more space that a "true" overwrite.
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