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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

gowld wrote: post #368
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #327

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I'm not sure what you need "tons of adaptors and wires" for since you're only talking about SD cards, but to address that one example: what percentage of laptop users are professional photographers? One percent? A quarter? There are at least six fashion photographers in my apartment building and even I know they're a negligible slice of the population. Apple should not be designing their laptops around the needs of 1…

Why would I buy a laptop based on what you need, instead of what I need?

That’s my point exactly, I don’t want to buy the laptop you need either. Since Apple can’t make models for all users, they design around the needs of most users. And practically nobody needs SD card readers.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by meetups323 »

boogies wrote: post #407
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

For general working, trackpad is better. You can type and move the mouse without moving your hands.

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Post by leephillips »

chrismorgan wrote: post #63
cupofjoakim wrote: post #31

This actually looks promising but I wonder if I'm really the target group. While I do build custom computers every now and then i also cherish the "completeness" of the unibody design that my MBP has. I also wonder about the availability of parts... Also, big up for the 3:2 screen.

13.5″ 2256×1504, that’s 201ppi, not too shabby, just right for 1.5× scaling for an effective resolution of 1504×1002⅔. (I like my Surface Book’s 13.5″ 3000×2000 267ppi display which is just the right size for 2× scaling, yielding an effective resolution of 1500×1000.) For reference, the common 13.3″ 1920×1080 display is 166ppi, 13.3″ 1366×768 is 118ppi, 15.6″ 1920×1080 is 141ppi, and 15.6″ 1366×768 is 100ppi. (I’m id…

Resolution is marginal. It would be a step down from my 2013 Google Chrome pixel (240 dpi), which you can get refurbished for about $200.

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Post by Brakenshire »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #372
IQunder130 wrote: post #313

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I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.

I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

Looks like there’s some good progress for touchpad support on Linux:

https://bill.harding.blog/2021/02/11/linux-touchpad-like-a-m...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26102894

Many millions of people will benefit, but the project only has 129 supporters, if anyone wants to chip in!

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by the_hoser »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #372
IQunder130 wrote: post #313

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I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.

I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

The sad part is that it's not just a hardware problem. While most PC laptops have really terrible trackpad hardware, some do have pretty decent hardware. It's just that the software is still absolutely terrible. You can run Linux on a relatively modern Macbook, and the trackpad becomes terrible.

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Post by thiagocsf »

nrp wrote: post #209
foobarian wrote: post #130

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GPIO cards on a modern laptop? Sign me up!!!

Yes! Actually, one of the first cards we built internally is a little Arduino-compatible one with a SAMD21 microcontroller and an external-facing 0.1" pin header for GPIO.

Will your specs include metric or just imperial measurements like you just used here?

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Post by zerocrates »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #372
IQunder130 wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope this business of yours works out because a laptop that isn't a piece of junk with too much stuff I don't need inflating the price is something I've been wanting for a long time.

I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I feel like the XPS 13 trackpad is fine, what's your beef with it?

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Post by robocat »

nrp wrote: post #209
foobarian wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPIO cards on a modern laptop? Sign me up!!!

Yes! Actually, one of the first cards we built internally is a little Arduino-compatible one with a SAMD21 microcontroller and an external-facing 0.1" pin header for GPIO.

Will the expansion cards work if plugged into a USB-C port on another laptop or desktop? (Assuming I have driver e.g. Linux installed).

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Post by Brakenshire »

aidenn0 wrote: post #318
1stcity3rdcoast wrote: post #312

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The article says there's a linux/no-os option

But only if you order the kit, not if you get it preassembled I believe.

It’s not the end of the world, but not everyone who uses Linux enjoys tinkering, some just want solid out of the box support for Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

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Post by funcDropShadow »

bee_rider wrote: post #271
XorNot wrote: post #90

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Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

People seem fine with it. If you are bringing your laptop to a coffee shop, you probably won't need an ethernet port anyway, so you can leave the dongle at home. Lots of mobile use-cases don't involve plugging in to a ton of things, so why waste space having ports for it? We're mostly programmers here, with nice keyboards and big screens as a necessity for work. On the other hand, lots of people are completely conten…

But lots of other mobile use case do involve plugging in to a ton of things. I would like to have the option to get the ports builtin. I am not arguing they should stop making those crippled variants without ports.

Luckily, macOS is going downhill as well, therefore my pain will end when the next version has not resemblance to a Unix system any more. The day Apple starts migrating its desktop OS to hamburger menus, I'll wipe and sell all my remaining Apple hardware.

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