Canada's parliament votes to label China's persecution of Uighurs as genocide

Post by rhodozelia » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 3:41 PM UTC

rhodozelia wrote: post #37

thesimon wrote: post #15

I am not sure what term is apporopiate for the horrific treatment, but I found the Economist's point quite valid. > By the common understanding of the word, it is not. Just as “homicide” means killing a person and “suicide” means killing yourself, “genocide” means killing a people. China’s persecution of the Uyghurs is horrific: it has locked up perhaps 1m of them in prison camps, which it naturally mislabels “vocati…

The prime minister of canada declared that canada had conducted a genocide against the pre-european inhabitants of the continent. It looks like Louis Riel's Metis revolt in 1885 was the last [0] real battle or war. The genocide Canada has declared they conducted was also not a violent slaughtering of people. So I guess they are in good company with the Chinese as soft-genocidaires? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Post by cannabis_sam » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

ygjb wrote: post #62

nickff wrote: post #4

Interesting that the parliament went ahead with a vote, from which the 'leadership' (cabinet) abstained; I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. >"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost all of his cabinet colleagues were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was the only cabinet minister present. When it was his turn, he said he abstained "on behalf of the Government of Canada." "

It's pretty straightforward; from 2012-2015 the previous government, led by Stephen Harper (Prime Minister), and in partnership with Erin O'Toole (at the time Parliamentary Secretary with oversight over International Trade) negotiated a trade agreement with China [1]. Under this treaty, if the Canadian government takes actions that damage or undermine Chinese investment in Canada, then Chinese companies can sue Canad…

Post by thereare5lights » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 8:13 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #122

thereare5lights wrote: post #67

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> Wow... Biden's stance is essentially it's a cultural difference. This is a prime example of how taking specific cuts of quotes can lead to wildly misleading conclusions. This is what he actually said: "I point out to him no American president can be sustained as a president if he doesn’t reflect the values of the United States, and so the idea I’m not going to speak out against what he’s doing in Hong Kong, what he…

>>that the US has different cultural norms than China and that we don't condone these things. No, what is he is doing is reassuring Xi that while he may have to speak out publicly about how many US Citizens will disagree culturally with china, rest assured that while He is president there will be no action.

Post by quleap » Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 5:09 AM UTC

excelthrow wrote: post #152

This website and its mods are a joke. When I posted about two countries pressuring tech companies into silencing oppressed communities (including one country credibly accused of genocide) [1] it was flagged for being “political”. But China bad. Whatever fits your agenda I guess. Goodbye. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26117559

Post by dmix » Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 8:40 PM UTC

federona wrote: post #64

cbozeman wrote: post #60

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A hot war is most certainly not impossible. Just because nuclear weapons might be off the table doesn't mean conventional bombs aren't. And frankly, even nuclear weapons might not be off the table fully. Desperation leads people to do strange things. China really is a sort of "early 1900s Germany" stage, which is rather frightening.

China is in some ways like pre-WWI Germany in that it does not have an empire and everyone else does so it wants one to. But Chinese are not starving due to sanctions and have not lost a war, etc. Chinese are doing well. China is just flexing its muscle because it can. That is all. Not because it needs to or that it's people are psychologically in fascism mode.