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Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by ramraj07 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #75
curiousgal wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? The bills have to be paid. Wouldn't you rather they monetize their product in a responsible way than join the others? We live in the real world after all.

The responsible way to monetize something is to charge for it. Advertising makes it normal to have "free" products and people become slaves to it. Can't say or do anything they don't like lest they kill your income.

Sure, let's all build tree houses and live in them. If only problems can just be solved by willing the solution you want!

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by boring_twenties »

yabatopia wrote: post #97
symlinkk wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, well suggest a different way they can make money then. No, donations are not cutting it.

Charge for it, like any other product. Opera used to do it, a long time ago. I think it was about $40 for a license.

How's that going to work when Firefox is free-as-in-freedom? Or are you suggesting they go closed source?

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by eganist »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #100
eganist wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You realise how weird this sounds, right? Presumably you donate because you care about the Mozilla mission, and those ads are there because donations alone aren't enough, and relying purely on Google's money is also not a great strategy. What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? If Facebook made 32.03 per user last year, I think it's fair to say that Mozilla will probably do even better if they off…

I'm afraid I'm understanding this correctly: Near 100% of Mozilla users would agree to get the $36/year subscription?

> I'm afraid I'm understanding this correctly:

> Near 100% of Mozilla users would agree to get the $36/year subscription?

No, not at all.

And I'm surprised at how many downvotes this is getting, but the basic concept is that at $36/y, each person paying that amount will assuredly be donating more to Mozilla than Mozilla would be making from ads on that user. I couldn't find any numbers on what Mozilla makes from ads, but I'd be surprised if it approached what Facebook makes per user.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by aceazzameen »

scrooched_moose wrote: post #15

Is there a possibility sites just begin blocking Firefox? It's only ~8% of the desktop market share and ~4% across all devices. It doesn't seem inconceivable sites just give up supporting it if they're not getting the ad revenue.

Microsoft's Skype web client already blocks Firefox. But it's easily rectified by changing the user agent to Chrome or Edge.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

#106

Post by jhhh »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #68
foofoo4u wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I make monthly donations to Mozilla to support their cause. I will stop my donations and migrate to a different browser if they continue down this path.

You realise how weird this sounds, right? Presumably you donate because you care about the Mozilla mission, and those ads are there because donations alone aren't enough, and relying purely on Google's money is also not a great strategy. What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? And it's still Firefox: if you're upset enough to consider "migration to a different browser", why not instead get upset en…

How many ads could they add to the browser before you'd agree with them?

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by anonymousab »

symlinkk wrote: post #80
sellyme wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have nothing against straight ads. I do. They are actively hostile to the user experience. I will criticise any update to software that deliberately makes the user experience worse.

Ok, well suggest a different way they can make money then. No, donations are not cutting it.

> No, donations are not cutting it

It probably doesn't help that you can't choose to donate to/for Firefox. If you disagree with other things Mozilla is doing, perhaps moreso than the things you agree with, then you don't really have much options.

For many people, advertisements - especially ones enabled without announcement, sneakily - are simply an unacceptable red line, nomatter how important Mozilla thinks they are.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

#108

Post by anonymousab »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #68
foofoo4u wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I make monthly donations to Mozilla to support their cause. I will stop my donations and migrate to a different browser if they continue down this path.

You realise how weird this sounds, right? Presumably you donate because you care about the Mozilla mission, and those ads are there because donations alone aren't enough, and relying purely on Google's money is also not a great strategy. What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? And it's still Firefox: if you're upset enough to consider "migration to a different browser", why not instead get upset en…

Adding ads, unannounced, and purposely placing them where they know people will accidentally open them due to muscle memory is some absolute user-hostile garbage. They know exactly what they are doing.

More importantly, it's not just ads. This is another example in a long line of conveniently whoops-didn't-mean-to thumbs in the eyes of users. Mozilla has this weird split-brain, one step forward two steps back mentality when it comes to building and fighting for their users.

It's exhausting to see this pattern play out over and over, so it absolutely makes sense that people will eventually get fed up with it and stop donating.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by thaumasiotes »

anonymousab wrote: post #108
TheRealPomax wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realise how weird this sounds, right? Presumably you donate because you care about the Mozilla mission, and those ads are there because donations alone aren't enough, and relying purely on Google's money is also not a great strategy. What do you want them to do, invent money out of thin air? And it's still Firefox: if you're upset enough to consider "migration to a different browser", why not instead get upset en…

Adding ads, unannounced, and purposely placing them where they know people will accidentally open them due to muscle memory is some absolute user-hostile garbage. They know exactly what they are doing. More importantly, it's not just ads. This is another example in a long line of conveniently whoops-didn't-mean-to thumbs in the eyes of users. Mozilla has this weird split-brain, one step forward two steps back mentali…

> Mozilla has this weird split-brain, one step forward two steps back mentality when it comes to building and fighting for their users.

The forward people and the backward people are probably different people.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by kome »

corobo wrote: post #17

And ads in the address bar search results. https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433 E: saved you a click on my own link. In about:config you can disable this by setting the following to false browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites

Amazon and eBay search defaults are already there in any standard Firefox installation. Now, in this UX test, they are marking them as sponsored, making them more transparent not less.
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