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Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by tux3 » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

notyourwork wrote: post #79

corobo wrote: post #17

And ads in the address bar search results. https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433 E: saved you a click on my own link. In about:config you can disable this by setting the following to false browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites

Why is the default enabled? Defaults are supposed to be sane and this is anything but sane or desired.

Presumably shipping ads ( or 'sponsored content') off by default would leave them with a low adoption rate... this is the sort of feature that people don't really request in their browsers.

Fortunately, this probably doesn't do any extra tracking. Unfortunately, that means my distribution (Debian) probably isn't going to protect me from these sort of features now and in the future, as I don't think this breaks the DFSG.

I wish I didn't have to be on the lookout for user-hostile change from an org like mozilla, one of the few big tech companies that tries to fight for users. I too would much rather pay for firefox development than see more ads in my browser :/

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by tux3 » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:29 AM UTC

symlinkk wrote: post #80

sellyme wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have nothing against straight ads. I do. They are actively hostile to the user experience. I will criticise any update to software that deliberately makes the user experience worse.

Ok, well suggest a different way they can make money then. No, donations are not cutting it.

Note, I've heard that Mozilla takes donations, but I don't think Firefox does.

Personally I don't mind at all if Mozilla wants to display ads in Treeherder or in their corporate offices, I wouldn't even feel like I want to pay to remove those :)

My point being, I don't expect firefox donations would amount to very many millions, but it's important to note that today the option doesn't really even exist.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by dmckeon » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:33 AM UTC

paulryanrogers wrote: post #70

TheRealPomax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's also Firefox, just go into about:config and turn it off if you don't like it and presto?

It's great to have an out. But are those synchronized? Because I find the increasing number of tweaks difficult to remember. Tyranny of the default is real.

Put any preferred tweaks in a user.js file in the profile directory, // commented with meanings and reasons, and save wetware memory.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by drunner » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:37 AM UTC

dbg31415 wrote: post #62

themacguffinman wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it run hotter than in other browsers? It seems likely that it's Zoom's problem.

It's all streaming. Twitch, YouTube. Running any of those on Firefox, vs. other browsers, is a lot hotter. I did a post about it and according to Apple's "Energy Usage" Firefox was like 50x higher than Safari and 30x higher than Chrome on the same sort of streaming call. Try it for yourself next time you're on a Zoom call. Firefox is my browser of choice, but so annoying that they don't take battery use / optimizatio…

This is what happens when apple forces browsers to use Safari's rendering engine. Could it be better, sure. Use an OS that allows Firefox to use its own renderer if it bugs you that much.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by shpongled » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

cassepipe wrote: post #36

I was wondering : What is the purpose of picture in picture? I don't have any use case for it and was curious about who does.

I LOVE the picture in picture feature. It's nice for multitasking - I can pull up a video and put it on top of any other full-screen app or webpage.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by nabeelms » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 2:51 AM UTC

corobo wrote: post #17

And ads in the address bar search results. https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433 E: saved you a click on my own link. In about:config you can disable this by setting the following to false browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites

Looks like they mentioned this here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy

It's apparently being trialed to a limited subset of users.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by paulryanrogers » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 3:03 AM UTC

dmckeon wrote: post #83

paulryanrogers wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's great to have an out. But are those synchronized? Because I find the increasing number of tweaks difficult to remember. Tyranny of the default is real.

Put any preferred tweaks in a user.js file in the profile directory, // commented with meanings and reasons, and save wetware memory.

When I was young and enthusiastic I used to maintain user and chrome CSS overrides like that. Synced via DropBox no less!

Now I am older and tired of doing the symlinking every time I setup a new install of Ff.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 3:06 AM UTC

faebi wrote: post #52

corobo wrote: post #17

And ads in the address bar search results. https://twitter.com/CohanRobinson/status/1364172683118866433 E: saved you a click on my own link. In about:config you can disable this by setting the following to false browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsored browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.showSponsoredTopSites

I would pay for an ad-free experience so they have a stable source of income.

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Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by sellyme » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 3:17 AM UTC

symlinkk wrote: post #80

sellyme wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have nothing against straight ads. I do. They are actively hostile to the user experience. I will criticise any update to software that deliberately makes the user experience worse.

Ok, well suggest a different way they can make money then. No, donations are not cutting it.

> Ok, well suggest a different way they can make money then.

Don't.

If that means not doing further development, great. Leave that to people who want to make the software better, not worse.

If you can find a way to monetise software, that's fantastic, but if that monetisation requires degrading quality I have no respect for it.

Re: Firefox Release Includes Total Cookie Protection and Multiple Picture-in-Picture

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Post by jffry » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 3:34 AM UTC

cassepipe wrote: post #36

I was wondering : What is the purpose of picture in picture? I don't have any use case for it and was curious about who does.

I've run into videos where the option is either to watch a tiny video as-is in the page (too small), or make it full screen (too large), with no in-between option. Twitch clips are an example of this.

If I pop the video out via PiP, I can resize it to a comfortable inbetween size.