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Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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I disagree. Once you learn IAM and able to segregate users into groups each with its own layer of security, then it is good enough. Often the UI, and docs make it seem like everything is all over the place but AWS feels like lego with some pieces tucked away. That is where I think AWS can be improved upon with a better documentation UI and discoverability. I do have to commend Google on Flutter + Firebase + Firebase…

IAM shouldn't be a thing to learn. It's account management, default and easy to access options should be sane enough for most people to use. At big companies, sure someone has it as a dedicated part of their job description. But if you're in the majority of smaller companies, ones maybe that's just doing e-commerce and tech isn't their core skill set, account settings should be near invisible and still be trustworthy…

I created all of the IAM roles that our 100+ person company uses. It was and is important from a security standpoint that we do not just blindly give too many permissions to employees. I had to do some research to understand what the bare minimum was and it wasn't too difficult to do.

Custom roles created through Terraform helped a lot.

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It's not much better if you end up being a GCP customer. My company has gone through 4 reps in 3 years. Every time we get a new GCP rep they just want to talk to us about "expanding our use of GCP offerings". The only thing they want to talk about is starting to use BigQuery - not my business at all. I signed up for a Google Cloud Security summit, and afterwards a sales rep reached out me. It was obvious from the sta…

Sounds like my experience with their recruiting.

Nov 2019 - interviews

Dec 2019 - passed hiring committee

Dec to June 2020 - emailed recruiter every two weeks never heard back

June 2020 - cold email from recruiter “here is your offer letter to join Google! Let's talk team match.”

Needless to say I did not accept that job. This was for a software engineer role.

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Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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It's not much better if you end up being a GCP customer. My company has gone through 4 reps in 3 years. Every time we get a new GCP rep they just want to talk to us about "expanding our use of GCP offerings". The only thing they want to talk about is starting to use BigQuery - not my business at all. I signed up for a Google Cloud Security summit, and afterwards a sales rep reached out me. It was obvious from the sta…

These guys must be commission based

Aren’t the all sales reps commission based? I would be very surprised if AWS reps are not.

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Same here. I have sent my GCP rep 5-10 follow up emails by now and still no response. It really feels like I have no one to talk to over there and I'm spending thousands per month.

Hit me, more than happy to make fun of the salient GCP rep for you in a way they really won't like :)

Bit of a surprising comment coming from the CTO of a large Google partner?

https://sada.com/about/leadership-team/miles-ward/

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It's not much better if you end up being a GCP customer. My company has gone through 4 reps in 3 years. Every time we get a new GCP rep they just want to talk to us about "expanding our use of GCP offerings". The only thing they want to talk about is starting to use BigQuery - not my business at all. I signed up for a Google Cloud Security summit, and afterwards a sales rep reached out me. It was obvious from the sta…

Sounds like my experience with their recruiting. Nov 2019 - interviews Dec 2019 - passed hiring committee Dec to June 2020 - emailed recruiter every two weeks never heard back June 2020 - cold email from recruiter “here is your offer letter to join Google! Let's talk team match.” Needless to say I did not accept that job. This was for a software engineer role. (edited to add line breaks)

Wow. Not even a call from the Recruiter to walk you through the offer letter?

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It's not much better if you end up being a GCP customer. My company has gone through 4 reps in 3 years. Every time we get a new GCP rep they just want to talk to us about "expanding our use of GCP offerings". The only thing they want to talk about is starting to use BigQuery - not my business at all. I signed up for a Google Cloud Security summit, and afterwards a sales rep reached out me. It was obvious from the sta…

I've had the same experience with GCP account reps. They always go missing and someone new emails us about how they are taking over 6 months later. Every call we have had with them has not resulted in anything meaningful. Our biggest issue is how their "highly available" Cloud SQL goes down every couple months for maintenance, not how we can use BigQuery.

> "highly available" Cloud SQL goes down every couple months for maintenance

Yep, drives me up the wall. We put a lot of work in making sure we're zero-downtime, pay for "Highly Available", and every couple of months I get the dreaded email. No explanation, nothing. Then we have to do the whole downtime dance.

If anyone from Cloud SQL is reading this, please, please stop doing this.

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One thing that GCP is far better at is account setup. Having everything nested under a single gsuite organization with folders and projects and IAM flowing through is incredibly easy to work with and makes permissions simpler to understand. AWS has a long ways to go in this regard.

I came from an AWS background to my current company's GCP setup and was very confused at how IAM worked on GCP for a long time. Now that I know the system, though, I agree with you. It really makes a ton of sense and works really well. The biggest problem I have with GCP is that something will say "you need the foo.bar.baz permission", and when I go to the IAM page to give that to myself... there is nothing in the se…

This page has them all:

https://cloud.google.com/iam/docs/understanding-custom-roles

Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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I still don't understand why startups go through the hassle of using cloud, trying to get customer support for unknown and half-baked cloud products and spending enormous money - rather than focusing on building the ACTUAL product?

just go rent some VMs/bare-metal and focus on building your product, everything non-product related is just a waste of time, money, and effort.

it looks almost as if engineers forgot how to scale bare-metal applications (hint: still doable, pretty easy and damn cheap!)

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I've had the same experience with GCP account reps. They always go missing and someone new emails us about how they are taking over 6 months later. Every call we have had with them has not resulted in anything meaningful. Our biggest issue is how their "highly available" Cloud SQL goes down every couple months for maintenance, not how we can use BigQuery.

I helped a major user of GCP migrate off the platform to AWS for this exact reason. Totally insane that they still do this when AWS has had a rock solid offering in the form of RDS for like 10 years now.

Does RDS not do this to their customers? This alone would make me seriously consider taking my business away from GCP.
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