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Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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That's great. Will Dr. Diangelo also retract and denounce her paper: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1065640.pdf where she states: > raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse Feel free to read the full context. So no, she may have not provided the slides. But yes, this is on point for her if you read even the smallest bit of her papers.

> where she states: > raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse But she doesn't state that; she states that someone else characterized an effect that DiAngelo is discussing in those terms. You just clipped that sentence to obscure that: “Acknowledging this, Thandeka (1999) argues that raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse because...”

I think the context needs to be expanded some more:

In exploring the emo-cognitive performance of White neurosis we draw from the interdisciplinary approach to critical Whiteness studies. For example theologian, Thandeka (1999) argues that Whites have cultivated a deep shame about anything racial because since birth they have been reared to claim they do not see race when in fact they do. Acknowledging this, Thandeka (1999) argues that raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse because “the child learnsto silence and then deny its own resonant feelings towards racially proscribed others, not because it wishes to become White, but because it wishes to remain within the community this is quite literally its life” (p. 24).

Caveat: I have no idea about any of this stuff in terms of its correctness or not.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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"White" isn't a racial group. "White" as an idea to describe a group of (roughly) light skinned European people, came about in order to justify enslaving and subjugating other groups. Various groups worked their way into being considered white over time, in part by contributing to the subjugation of others. And various groups once considered white, later were not considered so. "White" as what you call a "social grou…

> "White" isn't a racial group. I understand the academic underpinnings of that idea, but that's not how normal people understand the term "white." The Bureau of the Census, for example, certainly appears the believe that "white" reflects a racial category: https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html .

these academics also use the term "white fragility", that not only shows that white is known to be a race but it also sanctions anti-white sentiment. these offensive statements are a feature, not a bug, and it's very telling how with a little sunlight they abandon their training materials.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Are there been any study around the effectiveness of these "trainings"? How many people get out of a training where a slide tells them to be "less white, ie more tolerant, less oppressive, etc" feeling more tolerant? And how many get out angry and more alienated than before?

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Insulting and demeaning racial groups is the opposite of inclusion. It breeds resentment and hatred. For a time there was a focus on treating people as human and not as [racial/sex/religion] Trend these days is to encourage openly being a bigot, just as long as it’s against certain people. Replace the word white with any other social group and perhaps you’ll see the problem.

"White" isn't a racial group. "White" as an idea to describe a group of (roughly) light skinned European people, came about in order to justify enslaving and subjugating other groups. Various groups worked their way into being considered white over time, in part by contributing to the subjugation of others. And various groups once considered white, later were not considered so. "White" as what you call a "social grou…

The modern interpretation of "white" in the mainstream mostly-leftist media applies to the Caucasian racial group regardless of wealth or social status, and that's why there is a huge amount of upset in society.

For every Bill Gates/Bezos/Musk there are tens of millions of "white" people with below average income living check-to-check, yet many media outlets treat them all in the same entitled bucket.

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> "White" isn't a racial group. I understand the academic underpinnings of that idea, but that's not how normal people understand the term "white." The Bureau of the Census, for example, certainly appears the believe that "white" reflects a racial category: https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html .

I was trained as a census taker back in the day. We were instructed that “race and ethnicity” was explicitly ‘self identified/defined’ not based on any physical, cultural, or geographical origin. If a respondent wanted to write “Minnesotan” or “dog” in that box we were to accept it at face value.

Exactly. I am Caucasian with European ethnic origins, but I was raised in the Middle East and have a thick accent. I would never call myself "white".

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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> where she states: > raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse But she doesn't state that; she states that someone else characterized an effect that DiAngelo is discussing in those terms. You just clipped that sentence to obscure that: “Acknowledging this, Thandeka (1999) argues that raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse because...”

So is she disagreeing with this?

> So is she disagreeing with this?

They (it's not a sole-author paper) are very clearly not endorsing it as a literal description, while also quite explicitly endorsing the detailed and nuanced description of the effects of inculcating White identity which Thandeka uses to explain that rather inflammatory summary description, and also, implicitly through scare-quoted back-reference, adopting the summary as a metaphor, though implicitly as one not free of problems.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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The quote in the title of the article is really an inappropriate way to try to describe inclusiveness. It’s not about being less, it’s about including others more.

Maybe in theory. From my perspective the quote "'Be Less White' Learning Plan Was About Workplace Inclusion" seems fairly representative of what inclusiveness usually means in current practice.

The quote alone without context isn't all that bad, but the content of the slides in which it was, specifically this (https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044/pho...) implies that "being white" carries all of those negative attributes, despite your skin color not being your choice when being born.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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From the third slide: > To be less white is to: > > - be less oppressive > - be less arrogant > - be less certain > - be less defensive > - be less ignorant > - be more humble > - listen > - believe > - break with apathy > - break with white solidarity Basically associating everything negative with being white. If this is not racism, I don't know what is.

Woke culture is an abhorrent movement that combines the coercive dynamics of Marxism with the racism of national socialism. It's not about removing racism, it's about consolidating power by forcing everyone into compliance. Actual racial segregation is already happening in the US because of it and worse things are bound to happen. Everyone will be worse off if this is given free reign.

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What's the difference between "racism" and "neoracism"?

Well a lot of people seem to think the definition of racism has changed to mean "power + prejudice," instead of just judging someone based on their race, so theoretically "neoracism" would just mean what "racism" meant ~20 years ago.

"power + prejudice" is referred to as "structural racism". It's a sociology term. It was never intended to replace the common definition of racism, it was meant to be a framework for thinking about the different types and effects of racism. Structural racism doesn't preclude other types of racism, and structural racism can be a cause for acts of racism.

I think the focus is on structural racism now because the more blatant forms are drastically less common than they used to be.

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What's the difference between "racism" and "neoracism"?

Well a lot of people seem to think the definition of racism has changed to mean "power + prejudice," instead of just judging someone based on their race, so theoretically "neoracism" would just mean what "racism" meant ~20 years ago.

I would rather say that it should be define differently

Racism: Believing that some ethic groups and/or their components are either better or worse as a conseguence of their ethinity.

Neoracism: Believing that a reasonable solution to racism involves the application of different focused racism.

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