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Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Post by kbar13 »

alberth wrote: post #51
doomslice wrote: post #43

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Yes, exactly. The grants start out small (I think the first one was $3k) -- but then once you spend 75% of them you can apply for the next round, which for me they gave me $17k out of a possible $30k based on previous usage. After I spent around $15k for that over the next year I applied again and got $100k. Just one note though that I already had an MVP that I was running on GCP at the time I applied (but I was with…

What does GCP get in return. If they give you free credit, do you have to give then equity in your company, do you guarantee them X spend, etc?

probably vendor lock in

Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Post by sitharus »

jayp wrote: post #56

Hi Kevin ;-) I am founder of another YC backed company. We based our startup on GCP infra. They have great tech (for the most part) but I regret it so deeply for two reasons: Support or desire to help customers is non-existent. For any questions, they want us to upgrade to paid support and pay them at least 10% more every month for that (we ask like 1-2 questions a year). What? We are already paying you thousands of…

Eh. It’s similar in AWS-land.

Basic business hours support is $29/month or 3% of your service spend, whichever is greater. 24/7 is $100/mo or 10%, which also includes outage assistance.

I’ve also worked for places with enterprise support ($15,000/mo or 10%) but of you’re bringing in millions per month it’s definitely worth it.

The AWS personal health dashboard is also pretty reliable. The public status page is the source of many jokes.

Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Post by devops000 »

Google has truly lost the ability to innovate in front of Amazon. Its business is based on online advertising which has many problems: bot clicks, ad blockers, privacy issues and users don't like it. The cloud business as we see from this article is not the best and will hardly take market share from AWS.

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Post by sitharus »

dataminded wrote: post #69
random5634 wrote: post #6

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As I've said elsewhere, the $29 and $99 support plans for AWS have to lose AWS money. At least a (fairly long) while ago the support was nuts through these. Total expert level / out of scope. Frankly I'd encourage them to hold scope a bit more but its obviously working for them.

Not if they sell the rest of their services profitably. I keep throwing large sums of money at AWS because they insist on making their products useable. AWS wants to me adopt their products, they want to remove barriers, they want to help me make money. I have no problem continuing to invest in their services.

AWS makes two thirds of Amazon’s profit. I’m pretty sure most services are above cost. https://www.geekwire.com/2020/amazon-web-services-makes-near...

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Post by nicoburns »

samsgro wrote: post #22
doomslice wrote: post #11

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I was able to get 130k free GCP credits (over 3 years) just by filling out the startup forms... as a complete nobody. You don't even need an affiliate to sponsor you.

How!? I am a VC backed startup, just went through the same grief described in the original linked post. I like Firebase, but the moment the utility runs out we're heading back to AWS.

> I like Firebase, but the moment the utility runs out we're heading back to AWS.

Just from a technical perspective I'd advise to avoid the firebase databases like the plague.

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Post by meepmorp »

firloop wrote: post #35
avery42 wrote: post #26

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From GCP docs [0]: Effect of ToS violations Google-wide disabled account In some cases a Google-wide account (which covers access to a variety of Google products like Google Photos, Google Play, Google Drive, and GCP) will be disabled for violations of a Google ToS, egregious policy violations, or as required by law. Owners of disabled Google accounts will not be able to access their Google Cloud resources until the…

Google will suspend entire accounts even if you have more than one owner. A few years back, our business credit card was somehow stolen and used to buy Google Adwords. We disputed the charge with our bank. A day or two later, at 4am local time, our GCP account was suspended for fraud (presumably because the same, stolen, card was attached to that account). All instances were stopped and our service was brought to a h…

What happened once the account was reinstated and everything was up again? The customer service obviously sucked; did they acknowledge that and try to make it right?

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Post by benjaminwootton »

The overly commercial approach by the GCP rep is so short sighted but not uncommon.

I recently worked on a project which had a potential vendor spend in the millions if not tens of millions when it went to production and scaled.

Without exception, all of the vendors we spoke with early doors were horrible. Only interested in qualifying the size of the opportunity and when it would sign, not giving us access to the right people and playing horrible politics with our client.

I won't list them all, but the worst of the bunch was Snowflake. They were a nightmare and completely shot themselves in the foot.

If these vendors would have just helped like a partner with even a medium term focus, any one of them could have signed an enormous deal within a year.

Instead, we ended up going open source and AWS native, just because they are so much easier to deal with than many other vendors.

Having ran an AWS partner and seen them up close hundreds of times, I agree they are generally very nice and easy to deal with. I did see a recent cultural change when I had a problem in my own startup, but suspect they are still nice to the big boys.

Re: Google Cloud vs. AWS Onboarding Comparison

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Post by ChicagoDave »

cougarcan wrote: post #78

Where is Azure here?

Expensive and not at all startup friendly. Most startups are doing containers or serverless and Azure makes you pay for straying away from their PaaS business model.

Not to mention the way Azure handles networking and security is atrocious, bolted on to Active Directory.

I don't know GCP at all, but I do know that AWS Serverless is brain-dead simple to implement and very low-cost even when you begin to scale.

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