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Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by mc32 »

chewmieser wrote: post #46

This is from LinkedIn's learning portal, which is used by numerous companies (like Coca-Cola). The training claims to be created by Dr. Robin DiAngelo (author of books such as White Fragility). Dr. DiAngelo has a statement on her website claiming that she had nothing to do with this content and it was created without her consent: Dr. DiAngelo was not the creator or facilitator of the LinkedIn Learning course “Confron…

Part of the problem here is this kind of training has become “an industry”. There is a positive feedback loop and people want to cache in.

To make more money you create demand. How do you create demand? You make it obligatory training.

This one is about devaluing a culture for political reasons. But there are other topics like coöperation, teamwork, time management, etc. occasionally there are good insights. Mostly it’s regurgitated bullshit that has a stamp of approval and ticks off a compliance box somewhere. It’s a goldmine.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by gthtjtkt »

seneca wrote: post #48
gthtjtkt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how people are jumping out of the woodwork to defend racism. There's literally no context where attributing qualities to people based on their skin color is OK. When did we go back to the 1950s? I sure hope you don't feel comfortable being this racist in real life.

> There's literally no context where attributing qualities to people based on their skin color is OK. Strongly disagree. Talking about likelihood of having sickle cell anemia without talking about race would be absurd. This probably sounds pedantic, but my point is that we should stop all of these emotionally charged over reactions, on both sides. Saying "attributing any characteristic based on skin color is racist"…

> This probably sounds pedantic

It doesn't just sound pedantic, it is pedantic.

The topic is clearly about personality traits not medical conditions.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by seneca »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #40
philistine wrote: post #3

The quote in the title of the article is really an inappropriate way to try to describe inclusiveness. It’s not about being less, it’s about including others more.

There is, unfortunately, a common disconnect between intent and reality among many in the "woke" community. It doesn't matter what you claim, "its about" - it matters what is actually done. If I believe your soul has been corrupted by the devil, and I burn you at the stake to cleans you of the evil influence, I may very well believe sincerely that I'm helping you. My intent could be 100% pure. When asked about it, wi…

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C. S. Lewis

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by kardianos »

chewmieser wrote: post #46

This is from LinkedIn's learning portal, which is used by numerous companies (like Coca-Cola). The training claims to be created by Dr. Robin DiAngelo (author of books such as White Fragility). Dr. DiAngelo has a statement on her website claiming that she had nothing to do with this content and it was created without her consent: Dr. DiAngelo was not the creator or facilitator of the LinkedIn Learning course “Confron…

That's great. Will Dr. Diangelo also retract and denounce her paper: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1065640.pdf

where she states: > raising White children to be White is a form of child abuse

Feel free to read the full context. So no, she may have not provided the slides. But yes, this is on point for her if you read even the smallest bit of her papers.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by Sparkle-san »

sergefaguet wrote: post #20

As an international entrepreneur, I am delighted that large US companies spend their time and attention on inconsequential and toxic identity politics. More opportunities for us to exploit their weakness, create real value and shape the future And it goes without saying that the future we create and control will have no place for this drivel

You make it sounds like non-American countries are going to take over America and then then rule over it with an iron fist. That being said I don't know how you'd create "real value" on top of what Coca-Cola does. They put sugar into water and sell it at absurd mark-ups.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by newmnhn »

treeman79 wrote: post #25
philistine wrote: post #3

The quote in the title of the article is really an inappropriate way to try to describe inclusiveness. It’s not about being less, it’s about including others more.

Insulting and demeaning racial groups is the opposite of inclusion. It breeds resentment and hatred. For a time there was a focus on treating people as human and not as [racial/sex/religion] Trend these days is to encourage openly being a bigot, just as long as it’s against certain people. Replace the word white with any other social group and perhaps you’ll see the problem.

"White" isn't a racial group. "White" as an idea to describe a group of (roughly) light skinned European people, came about in order to justify enslaving and subjugating other groups. Various groups worked their way into being considered white over time, in part by contributing to the subjugation of others. And various groups once considered white, later were not considered so.

"White" as what you call a "social group" was created in service of this power dynamic. Before, say, about 400 years ago, whiteness was not an idea used to identify a "race" of people.

So yeah, I'm all for being less white. I'm fine with just being like ... Irish.

You can research the history on this pretty easily, but a good place to start is a podcast series from Scene On Radio called Seeing White. My memory is a little fuzzy but I think the broad outline is correct.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by bradlys »

insickness wrote: post #38

From the third slide: > To be less white is to: > > - be less oppressive > - be less arrogant > - be less certain > - be less defensive > - be less ignorant > - be more humble > - listen > - believe > - break with apathy > - break with white solidarity Basically associating everything negative with being white. If this is not racism, I don't know what is.

Pretty good slide tbh.

I identify a lot of white behavior there. You can say it’s generic shit but Karen is usually white for a reason - the cultural values and privilege that typically come with whiteness are all right there.

Source: am white 50% of the time.

Would love to know how the people upvoting downvoting identify in terms of race.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by ceilingcorner »

sergefaguet wrote: post #20

As an international entrepreneur, I am delighted that large US companies spend their time and attention on inconsequential and toxic identity politics. More opportunities for us to exploit their weakness, create real value and shape the future And it goes without saying that the future we create and control will have no place for this drivel

It really is like watching an empire die. Hyperfocused on obscure artificially-inflated issues while basic utilities cease functioning.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by seneca »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #52
seneca wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's literally no context where attributing qualities to people based on their skin color is OK. Strongly disagree. Talking about likelihood of having sickle cell anemia without talking about race would be absurd. This probably sounds pedantic, but my point is that we should stop all of these emotionally charged over reactions, on both sides. Saying "attributing any characteristic based on skin color is racist"…

> This probably sounds pedantic It doesn't just sound pedantic, it is pedantic. The topic is clearly about personality traits not medical conditions.

> The topic is clearly about personality traits not medical conditions.

Contextualizing it would make sense if you had not said "literally no context". This is my point, black and white language like this repels nuance.

Re: Coca-Cola says 'Be Less White' learning plan was about workplace inclusion

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

sn_master wrote: post #27
chroem- wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you even imagine what the fallout would be if they started telling employees to "be less black"?

Exactly. If the video was about inventory shrinkage and was titled "Be Less Black" they would have (rightfully so) been sued out of existence. Racists exists in every human group, and they're predominately non-white outside the West. e.g Groups like Boku Haram are anti-White racists in Africa.

Can you cite that? Boko Haram is an Islamist movement, so I would expect them to recognize fellow Islamists anywhere of any race, and indeed Wikipedia notes they are allied with Islamic State in the Levant and Iraq. There are many Islamists who absolutely anyone would recognize as white, just look at some of the people from the Balkans or Chechnya who have gone to fight for ISIS.

There have been recent movements in Nigeria that specifically opposed whites in general, but they have generally been from an Afrocentrism perspective and often were just as mistrustful of Islam as Christianity, arguing for a return to indigenous African spirituality instead.

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