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Post by juanani »

TomSwirly wrote: post #433
nicky0 wrote: post #351

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Essentually you are saying: "The other side is wrong, and my side is right." It's not really a nuanced point about the broader issue of speech.

I'm not on either side. I don't even live in the United States. But one side, the Republican side, is batshitinsane and believes things that are provably untrue - Obama is a Muslim, climate change is a Chinese hoax, COVID-19 is the flu, that sort of thing. The Democrats are just run-of-the-mill, low-energy centrist politicians.

I have a hard time lumping in swathes of people into these tiny slivers of beliefs. How is it not obvious that one side did a better job of demonizing the other? I'm pretty sure I can comment 'And would like to be able to eat babies' and I will be seeing it on similar posts as yours by tomorrow.

The media did one hell of a job this past election cycle, I wonder what batshitinsane things we will be allowed to talk about on the next one. I doubt much.

Now that we haved moved censorship officially online as well, I can only hope some wonderful people are busy building the next workaround medium.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by uniqueid »

imtringued wrote: post #390
uniqueid wrote: post #311

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I don't care if what you watch is good or bad for you . I care if what you watch turns you into a threat to me . Based on the past few years, it looks like maybe 20% of the general population is suggestible enough to endanger the rest of us.

I don't need uniqueid as my dictator.

I don't need crazies to organize a coup on social media and install an authoritarian.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by kevincox »

Judgmentality wrote: post #336
sillysaurusx wrote: post #323

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I don't think Youtube necessarily needs to be broken apart, but they are a natural monopoly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Think of it in terms of paying users: how much would you have to pay someone to switch from Youtube to your site? Multiply the average by the number of users, and that's the advantage Youtube has over competitors.

Ooh, this is something I've often wondered (and has become more interesting since Alphabet recently started revealing revenue numbers for YouTube) - can YouTube be profitable as a standalone entity? The reason I ask is because, despite all its flaws, YouTube is one of the treasures of the internet. And I wonder if we'd lose it by breaking up Alphabet. I am not pro-Alphabet and 100% believe Alphabet needs more regulat…

I would bet it could. YouTube definitely benefits from Google infrastructure. Especially since a lot of their cost is video transcoding and batch pipelines which can easily be slotted into unused CPU around the world. YouTube almost certainly also gets very cheap storage not only because Google has optimized storage cost for them but also because of the similar flexibility that they have on where videos are stored. Furthermore they use Google's CDN which is likely the best in the world hand has many relationships with ISPs to get caches close to eyeballs.

However as I understand it the product itself isn't tied to the Google infrastructure. YouTube's main value is the user base, both of viewers and of publishers. It would be a technical marvel to move it off of Google's infrastructure however I don't think that there is any feature that they wouldn't be able to provide anymore. It would certainly be more expensive, but at YouTube's size you could probably work out similar deals with other providers (or with GCP) so I'm not sure that the prices would rise that much. (IDK, maybe 15% increase in cost between provider cut and raw cost increase?)

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by uniqueid »

narrator wrote: post #367
uniqueid wrote: post #311

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I don't care if what you watch is good or bad for you . I care if what you watch turns you into a threat to me . Based on the past few years, it looks like maybe 20% of the general population is suggestible enough to endanger the rest of us.

The Soviets put their dissidents into mental hospitals, because obviously they were crazy and dangerous to oppose socialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_...

A more accurate analogy would be 'the Soviets didn't give them airtime on All Union Radio'

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by roenxi »

TomSwirly wrote: post #431
fooqux wrote: post #320

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The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The radical left and the radical right both think each other's points are dangerous. And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. From their respective viewpoints, they're in the "right", just as you think you are. There's a slippery slope here, and I feel it's one so large that we can't even tell we're already sliding on…

> The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The other guy is also claiming that Trump won the election, global heating is a hoax, COVID-19 is a hoax, Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, and his wife Michelle is a man. > And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. Sorry, this just isn't so. Your answer boils down to this: "There is no truth. If one person says Michelle…

GP identified 3 groups of people, each defined by a belief. You have announced that you subscribe to one of those beliefs. You haven't disagreed with the argument.

Many of those things have pretty neat analogues in the extreme left - the extremists didn't accept that 2016 was legitimate, they've been fighting the science on nuclear power for 50 years and they wasted a lot of everyone's time trying to argue that Trump was a Russian asset.

Neither wing of politics is a shining example of sane ideas.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by ttt0 »

foepys wrote: post #312
CGamesPlay wrote: post #272

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Surely there's some space between "Recommend" and "Ban"?

Everytime this is coming up, I wonder why people were always okay with banning nudity but now that hate speech (that undeniably agitates people and leads to hate crime) gets banned, they oppose content blocking.

The main purpose of free speech is to ensure the ability to criticize the government. It never meant pornography, free speech and obscenity laws always coexisted together in Europe and US. It's easy to construe the criticism of politicians as hate speech, while construing it as nudity would require some higher level of mental gymnastics.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by ttt0 »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #379
Fogest wrote: post #373

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So here I am talking about someone dismissing what someone says by calling them privileged and boom, one of them shows up! What did this contribute to the conversation? Good job you got your jab in calling me privileged in a conversation where I am talking about how stupid of a response that is that people will say.

Racism is a systemic issue, not an individual issue. The simple fact that you react this strongly to being even slightly corrected, shows clearly that you've been on the good end of "different rules for me than for thee" for so long that you can't even see the injustice it causes for those on the bad end. People disagreeing with you online is not an injustice, it's just reality. When you go from being coddled to bein…

Jesus Christ, stop downvoting and flagging these comments. As much as I disagree with the comment, it correctly explains what the disagreement is, which is that we have different definitions of racism.

According to this brave new definition of racism, KKK is not inherently racist, because it's a systemic issue, not an individual issue.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by jklein11 »

awillen wrote: post #148
dehrmann wrote: post #121

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Setting this case aside because it's sloppy reporting based on what another classifier found, this is a hard problem. Youtube gets too many videos and comments for humans to manually review them. Flagging helps, and Google likely uses ML more complex than just text and classifier (who is commenting, is the post trending, patterns in comments, etc.) When things do reach manual review, remember that humans make mistake…

People forget that they get these free services for free, and a big portion of that is because ML tools are able to cheaply do a really hard job of moderating. You hear about things like this because they're so unusual, which is a testament to the amount of time they work correctly without being noticed. Granted, there have been some issues with people getting banned from Google services for what appear to be wrong r…

Youtube brought in 15 billion dollars in revenue last year. It is probably most important to the customers of youtube (the ad buyers) that their ads aren't shown on controversial videos.

Also, I'd be really interested to know how much the Youtube team payed to build this classifier and how that compares to paying human moderators.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by pickledcods »

chii wrote: post #331
drak0n1c wrote: post #225

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Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…

It's stupid, because in the era of television, people understood that the advertising commercial breaks in programmes were distinct from the actual content of the programme, and that the advertisers are _not_ endorsing the contents of the programme at all! How this somehow translated, in the era of online youtube videos, to the exact opposite is still a mystery to me. So what if your ad appeared next to something rad…

It changed with political correct investments. Some 15 years ago people became aware of companies investing in weapon industry, specifically cluster munition and landmines. A signal was sent by publicly shaming companies that shrugged their shoulders. That set a general trend to avoid negative publications and backfire by explicitly distancing from politically or humanitarian questionable practices. It has now escalated to fear-management and rewriting history.
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