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Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by agumonkey »

nashashmi wrote: post #26
legostormtroopr wrote: post #2

Yes - we know this. We've known this for a long time. The question is what now? Western nations have shown no political will to stand up to China.

When the Holocaust was happening, no one cared. The holocaust was stopped because it aligned with a different interest: to stop nazi Germany. The holocaust was only to make the nazi look bad. Otherwise no one cared about Jews either.

I'm confused, didn't the camp happen after the war started ? the aryan supremacy theory predates it but not the mass murdering ..

I never really read timeline details about the concentration camps in WW2.

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Post by hh3k0 »

Ansil849 wrote: post #147

The amount of comments in this thread which appear to assume that 'genocide' means exclusively physical harm is concerning. Just for the record: as per the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [1], genocide is officially defined as either physical _or_ mental harm. [1] https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-...

And there's also that:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by powerapple »

refenestrator wrote: post #96
meowface wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Thucydides Trap, also referred to as Thucydides's Trap, is a term popularized by American political scientist Graham T. Allison to describe an apparent tendency towards war when an emerging power threatens to displace an existing great power as the international hegemon. It was coined and is primarily used to describe a potential conflict between the United States and the People's Republic of China. One shouldn'…

It's the full pattern. Does anyone think the USA actually cares about central asian muslims? With our record and the records of our allies? Or is this coming from collective anxiety over being eclipsed?

The American people may care, and it is money to drive American people to think in the direction money planned. If you think the media is on your side, think again.

Think Iraq, all the evidence of WMD

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by yange »

threatofrain wrote: post #166
yange wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Chinese. Many languages and expressions in this thread not only detests me but also represent the very opposite of western critical thinking. I appreciate the western style of logical thinking. You are being taught in schools how to tell the truth and bust lies, to criticize, to doubt, to ask questions no one dares to ask. You are taught definitions of fallacies, the art of debate, the wisdom of introspection. I…

Is this true for Chinese academics though? Are Chinese mathematicians uncreative and uninspired? Are Chinese scientists disadvantaged vs western scientists due to conformist thought?

We were being taught that way, but not all people will become uncreative. In fact it's the opposite, your creativity has nothing to do with how you were taught. It's all about how you think. Even with conformist education there can be evolutionary talents coming out of it. It's my whole point writing this thread.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by yellowapple »

newacct583 wrote: post #124
yellowapple wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not the great empire builders? They haven't been a threat for centuries. > Not the USSR? The USSR's been dead for 3 decades now. > Not even, y'know, the ancient chinese empires who subjugated most of asia? They don't exist anymore, either.

I think you whooshed on the point. Indeed, all those other guys were worse. And they're not here, and we are. China isn't the threat they're being presented as, they're just a convenient point of outrage for a demographic that craves outrage. In fact, if the upthread point had labelled the PRC the greatest threat to global freedom of the past three decades, then I'd be inclined to agree! But that's not what it said.…

> I think you whooshed on the point.

I could say the same about your own grasp of the point; it doesn't seem relevant at all to bring up historical examples of threats to global freedom when we're discussing current examples of threats to global freedom - the PRC pretty unambiguously being one of them (and the US being another, to be clear).

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by UK-Al05 »

BelenusMordred wrote: post #151
ajay-b wrote: post #148

It’s interesting to read the pro Chinese propaganda on HN. It’s too bad we can’t see the region from where those comments are coming from. It saddens me that people are forced to stand up for a regime that massacres and enslaves its own people.

Please try take a moment to step in someone else's shoes and engage with what they are saying before calling their comments "propaganda" . It's not good faith behaviour.

It's very odd, when there's countless witnesses, satalite imagery, press teams finding these places, and the CCP even admitting to education camps that there are people going "it's not so bad" and defending CCP.

Even if the camps are just "re-education camps", thats still really bad.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by noobface1337 »

ajay-b wrote: post #148

It’s interesting to read the pro Chinese propaganda on HN. It’s too bad we can’t see the region from where those comments are coming from. It saddens me that people are forced to stand up for a regime that massacres and enslaves its own people.

> It’s too bad we can’t see the region from where those comments are coming from.

Same, since we've known that India will stop at nothing to spew bunch of lies against whoever they perceive as their enemies https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-d...

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by ksec »

seattle_spring wrote: post #22

I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.

>I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad

Because they have a different definition of "bad". If you follow closely, the mainland Chinese or CCP have different definition of the same word for literally everything.

Why is it bad to force them learn Mandarin and forget about their old language? Where the job markets are and to help them better integrate into the society.

Why is it bad to give them birth control pills? Or reeducating them? etc. They are doing / supporting these regime with a smile on their face as they think they are doing good.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by yumraj »

underseacables wrote: post #157
yumraj wrote: post #16

The world did nothing when same was happening in Tibet and China was a fraction of its current power. Nothing is going to happen now when China is obviously more powerful. Moreover, none of the Muslim countries care, ME countries will happily sell China oil and Pakistan touts it’s relationship with China.

Isn’t China’s relationship with Pakistan more about threatening India?

That's the whole point - Muslim countries care about their self-interest over the interest of some muslims in Xinjiang.

Some care about selling oil, some about economy and so on..

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

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Post by hh3k0 »

aaron695 wrote: post #153

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> No, China is not committing genocide.

Yes, they are:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide

> Why do we have to jump to genocide.

Because that is the term for what they do.

The refusal to call it genocide is like putting lipstick on a pig; in the end it's still a pig.

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