Earlier quoted context omitted.
The West isn't going to go to war to stop a genocide.
No one in the history of ever has gone to war to stop a genocide. Many have been started to perpetrate one though.
Serbia called and want its bombed army back.
Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
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Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
#22I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.
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It is not a matter of faith. It is a matter of being a Chinese Turk. And staying different from the rest of the chinese.
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I agree with you.
I think the Chinese government is totalitarian and aggressive, and the standard of due process and human rights is very different of what we consider acceptable in the "west".
I also wouldnt be surprised if things like widespread facial recognition and other types of intrusive vigilance is present (something very bad),I also would not be surprised if the area has received a large Han migration (something more gray, neutral). I also acknowledge that people that they may consider dangerous (number in the tens of thousands? are or have been detained for longer periods) and that the youth population receive education to become integrated to the Han majority.
Having said that,I have seen 0 actual evidence of genocide, beyond very wild speculations. 0 bodies, mass graves, executions,1-million people in jail etc. If I see the evidence I of course will change my mind.
On the other hand almost every notably speaker of the genocide have had an axis to grind against China. From the crazy newborn Christian Zenz, to the Uyghur woman who worked for the CIA and did a reddit AMA, to yes! people like Pompeo or Trump or even the mainstream western media.We are in the middle of a new cold-war.
Uighurs are exempt of the 2-child policy reserved to the Han, and their population have increased in the region compared to the previous decades.China has also be receptive to receive inspection and FWIW the entire muslim block is with China.You could argue that they are being blackmailed, but some of them are rich enough to not depend now or in the future from China.
Anyway, it is going to be interesting once the proposed French laws against Muslims extremism are in place to see if the same standard will be applied to the reporting. Interesting times these.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
#26Yes - we know this. We've known this for a long time. The question is what now? Western nations have shown no political will to stand up to China.
When the Holocaust was happening, no one cared. The holocaust was stopped because it aligned with a different interest: to stop nazi Germany. The holocaust was only to make the nazi look bad. Otherwise no one cared about Jews either.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
#27The credibility is in the statements of the Chinese that both deny and defend the practice.
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I agree with you. I think the Chinese government is totalitarian and aggressive, and the standard of due process and human rights is very different of what we consider acceptable in the "west". I also wouldnt be surprised if things like widespread facial recognition and other types of intrusive vigilance is present (something very bad),I also would not be surprised if the area has received a large Han migration (some…
The standard of evidence for a country with free press cannot and should not be compared to the standard of evidence for a country with no press freedom. China controls flow of information so tightly, that even rumours should be considered credible unless proven otherwise.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
#29I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.
Reminds me of that joke:
I asked my friend from North Korea how life is.
He said he can't complain.
Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide
#30I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.
No use in trying to discuss this anyone from China. They are totally brainwashed. In Spite of, living in USA and enjoying democracy, and free of speech, they think freedom of speech is myth and democracy is not a reliable form of government. They believe that Winnie, the pooh is great and he and CCP is solely responsible for lifting millions of Chinese people from poverty. I really feel pity for the Chinese people.