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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by nicky0 »

uniqueid wrote: post #328
fooqux wrote: post #320

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The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The radical left and the radical right both think each other's points are dangerous. And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. From their respective viewpoints, they're in the "right", just as you think you are. There's a slippery slope here, and I feel it's one so large that we can't even tell we're already sliding on…

The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. Then I hope I win. Cause the other guy really likes firearms and believes Bill Gates is some sort of satanic reptilian timelord. Facebook's new governing body are interesting, but I fear will be troublesome in other ways. I don't see that model making anyone happy because I believe true impartiality is impossible. The honest and less bureaucratic app…

Essentually you are saying: "The other side is wrong, and my side is right." It's not really a nuanced point about the broader issue of speech.

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Post by Judgmentality »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #345
Judgmentality wrote: post #322

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Who was okay with banning nudity? I think the only thing I've seen universally agreed upon to be bad is child pornography.

Nudity is banned on television, youtube, facebook, twitch, and any public place in the US. None of those had significant outcry when it was banned, and people bat an eye so little at that status quo that I apparently had to write this comment to remind you.

Whenever nudity is banned I remember there being an outcry. I also think banning nudity is dumb, so maybe it's just an issue of confirmation bias.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by bsder »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #304
bsder wrote: post #280

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> Those aren't great, but if you ask people whether they want to pay $10/month for YouTube so human moderators can stop this from happening or get it for free and have the .0001% chance that they get banned purely by accident, they'll take the latter. At this point, I view YouTube like I viewed bars that allowed smoking--it was sufficiently popular that nobody could compete against it even though it was harmful. So,…

> I firmly believe that smoking bans have killed live music What's the connection?

Intermediate size venues got wiped out because smokers are extremely profitable--smoking and drinking go together.

You can have a small venue (1000) because it probably reached self-supporting.

However, we lost a LOT of 100-1000 size venues from about 1990 to about 2005. And those are the ones that working musicians can make a living off of. But those need the stupidly profitable contingent that goes along with smoking and drinking. The single craft beer drinker isn't going to generate enough money to support such a place.

You could see this even before the smoking bans in areas which had sophisticated dancing (swing, ballroom, etc.) groups. If your venue somehow attracted the young dancing contingent, the venue was going to vaporize within 6 months. Everybody loved them--they tended to be polite, didn't harass the waitstaff, looked good, prevented highly skewed M/F ratios, etc. -- except that they spent next to no money compared to the general public so the owners HATED them. This was in stark contrast to the elder dancing contingent who smoked and drank like fish and could keep clubs alive long beyond their expiration date.

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Post by psyc »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #345
Judgmentality wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who was okay with banning nudity? I think the only thing I've seen universally agreed upon to be bad is child pornography.

Nudity is banned on television, youtube, facebook, twitch, and any public place in the US. None of those had significant outcry when it was banned, and people bat an eye so little at that status quo that I apparently had to write this comment to remind you.

It’s a small point, but there’s a ton of full nudity on YT. It just can’t be intentionally pornographic.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by jdoliner »

andrewzah wrote: post #5

“ The researchers now suggest that social-media platforms should incorporate chess language in their algorithms to avoid future incidents like this.” Or maybe don’t automate banning YouTube channels via nebulous black boxes? Or can advertisers stop being afraid of anything and everything?

One day someone will be banned for referring to the algorithms as black boxes.

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Post by goblin89 »

grawprog wrote: post #141
lwouis wrote: post #47

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You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

What I really have to wonder about specifically this instance of political correctness was, how many people were honestly and truly offended by the term 'blacklist' or 'whitelist' before some lignustics, sociology, whatever professer sat down and figured out it should be offensive and told people to be offended? I feel like this about many attempts to make language politically correct, but I really do wonder, was the…

Do a thought experiment and imagine that there was a negatively tinted term in software engineering with %YOURCOUNTRY% or %YOURNATIONALITY% or %YOURPHENOTYPICTRAIT% in the name. E.g., if you’re from the US, “American pointer dereference” or something like that. (A bit far-fetched; to really resonate the experiment should include some invented cultural baggage which is difficult to do on the spot.)

I want to think I personally wouldn’t be insecure enough to be concerned by something like that, but I have to agree that some might feel uncomfortable even if the intent behind that term was benign.

Whether getting rid of that term entirely is worth it or not is another question (how far should we go? do we spend human-months rewriting all Git histories to replace this term with an alternative currently in fashion? what if it changes again? etc.), but just stopping using it in new codebases might be relatively low-effort.

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Post by [deleted] »

mancerayder wrote: post #180
ben509 wrote: post #50

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A lot of language-fixing slacktivism easily becomes a trend because it's highly visible and requires no genuine effort. It's complete bullshit, though. This particular bullshit is awful since it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association. There's no point arguing, though, just drag your heels until they get bored and go off on some other crusade.

Foucault and the Postmodern philosophers of the 70s started this, with a new epistemology that ties language use to our perceptions of reality, and also the idea of how marginalized people remain marginalized. You see, the power matrix operates daily and we are all involved. We perpetuate real world problems with problematic language, we are told. Change the language, change the outcome, came the activists of the 90s…

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Post by bsder »

gretch wrote: post #334
thaumasiotes wrote: post #304

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> I firmly believe that smoking bans have killed live music What's the connection?

Is an astoundingly extreme claim. First we have to accept the premise that live music is “dead”. Second it’s due to some orthogonal factor like a smoking ban as opposed to recorded music becoming way more accessible through technology. It’s an extreme claim with very little rigor.

> First we have to accept the premise that live music is “dead”.

By almost all measures, it is. Number of artists, average age of artists, revenue, number of customers, etc.

> as opposed to recorded music becoming way more accessible through technology.

Except that by most measures the general public consumes VASTLY less music than they used to, so it isn't accessibility driving it.

Now, you could suggest that it's because of a bunch of changes: video games, social media, etc. That would at least be plausible.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #337
yellowapple wrote: post #327

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YouTube doesn't really fit the definition of a natural monopoly, particularly because there's nothing fundamentally stopping other services from popping up. YouTube's status as an effective monopoly doesn't come from some sort of scarcity of the means of production. > The cost to a competitor is in getting a user to switch. Only if we're assuming that users and uploaders will only ever use exactly one service at any…

Then where is the YouTube competitor? The closest seems to be odysee ( https://odysee.com/ ) where you're lucky to break a few hundred views. Suppose YouTube disappeared tomorrow. Where would everyone go? Probably odysee. So why don't they go there now? That's why Youtube is a natural monopoly.

I think it's Facebook and Instagram. You can put a video up there and a lot of people will watch it.

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Post by grawprog »

goblin89 wrote: post #356
grawprog wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I really have to wonder about specifically this instance of political correctness was, how many people were honestly and truly offended by the term 'blacklist' or 'whitelist' before some lignustics, sociology, whatever professer sat down and figured out it should be offensive and told people to be offended? I feel like this about many attempts to make language politically correct, but I really do wonder, was the…

Do a thought experiment and imagine that there was a negatively tinted term in software engineering with %YOURCOUNTRY% or %YOURNATIONALITY% or %YOURPHENOTYPICTRAIT% in the name. E.g., if you’re from the US, “American pointer dereference” or something like that. (A bit far-fetched; to really resonate the experiment should include some invented cultural baggage which is difficult to do on the spot.) I want to think I p…

Yeah, you know what, i've personally experienced that more than once, it's not politically correct to say, but i'm not american so... and it happened in Richmond so meh...

I've also met enough people from different places in the world to understand it happens to everybody for different reasons. Hell there's racism in the world I bet a lot of people don't even realize is an issue. An old Iranian coworker and a chinese coworker of mine hated eachother, for absolutely no reason other than racism.

I also live in a place where the prevalent racism isn't the black/white stuff that goes on in america and where generally black and white people get along reasonably well.

You're right, it's about culture and perspective.

And that's what bugs me most about PC culture. It doesn't take into account culture and perspective. It doesn't take into account the fact that prejudice and racism depend heavily on where you are exactly in the world and it doesn't take into account the fact that a good majority of the things PC culture would consider racist isn't.

All I know is, i've had a lot of great conversations that started with me or someone else asking.

'Hey, where are you from?'

I can't think of one time when either me or someone else was offended by this yet...

https://othersociologist.com/2017/07/15/where-are-you-from-r...

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