Live data from Hacker News

Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

bbc.com

101–110 of 322 posts

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#101
post #20

[flagged]

If a group of people's values are disgusting enough they support enslaving and steralizing people they should have western values pushed onto them.

I don't agree with the parent comment's perspective, but isn't it deeply ironic to make this statement?

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#102
I can go to another part of the BBC web site and read about the British killed in the past 6, 7, and 8 years while going halfway across the world to kill Muslims in the country bordering west Xinjiang.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30224841

Meanwhile when China deals with Muslim terrorism within its own borders there's calls of "genocide" (I suppose something akin to England's genocide in Bengal during World War II, or in Ireland in the 19th century etc.)

Perplexing to see westerners who go to the other side of the world to bomb weddings in Afghanistan get into a Calvinist/liberal "moral" froth about China confronting (mostly non-violently) Muslim terrorism within its own borders, slightly west of the where the west has been occupying for two decades.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#103
post #16

The world did nothing when same was happening in Tibet and China was a fraction of its current power. Nothing is going to happen now when China is obviously more powerful. Moreover, none of the Muslim countries care, ME countries will happily sell China oil and Pakistan touts it’s relationship with China.

The world would have done nothing about Hitler if he hadn't started invading the rest of Europe [1]. And the CCP is smart enough to focus on economic domination instead of land-war. This is my greatest fear for humanity right now. [1] https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/britain-ado... Edit: Why would this get downvoted? Do you disagree with the interpretation of history (and extrapolation to our current…

[deleted]

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#104
post #16

The world did nothing when same was happening in Tibet and China was a fraction of its current power. Nothing is going to happen now when China is obviously more powerful. Moreover, none of the Muslim countries care, ME countries will happily sell China oil and Pakistan touts it’s relationship with China.

The world would have done nothing about Hitler if he hadn't started invading the rest of Europe [1]. And the CCP is smart enough to focus on economic domination instead of land-war. This is my greatest fear for humanity right now. [1] https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/britain-ado... Edit: Why would this get downvoted? Do you disagree with the interpretation of history (and extrapolation to our current…

>This is my greatest fear for humanity right now.

Not Climate chaos/disaster, ecological+societal collapse, pollution?! Micro-plastics? Nukes? Hello?

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#105

This is something that future generations are going to look back at with a lot of shame. It's going to end up being in textbooks as another thing where students wonder why we were OK with genocide happening under our noses. In the US at least, we are not taking this problem seriously enough. There's a lot of acknowledgement that something bad is happening, but not a lot of clear coordination on an international scale…

We have no leverage and the global economic system doesn’t care enough. Let’s be real, China is the new world super power. The US is still riding the coattails of prior success. We’re a confused divided country and China has a brutally efficient system of exploitation the US needs.

Moral authority over martial or material. Nature wins without effort. Storms and earthquakes go where they want, regardless of who lives or dies.

The USA doesn't need the competition. Leave us alone please, for just once in our history. Our entire existence, the world has waged war against us.

Imaging black holes. Probes inside the Sun. Ever growing size of matter waves. Find peace please, or I build a horrible weapon of coarse resuscitation, a gravity application of pair production and coherent control that doesn't kill, but keeps people alive.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#106

I can go to another part of the BBC web site and read about the British killed in the past 6, 7, and 8 years while going halfway across the world to kill Muslims in the country bordering west Xinjiang. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30224841 Meanwhile when China deals with Muslim terrorism within its own borders there's calls of "genocide" (I suppose something akin to England's genocide in Bengal during Wor…

>China deals with Muslim terrorism

The scale seems dramatically wide and largely ethic focused compared to a military conflict.

But what I really wonder if you compare it to "bombing a wedding"... are you ok with that?

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re referring to comments like mine challenging the idea that private websites banning anyone for any reason has anything to do with free speech, you’re wildly mischaracterizing your US audience.

"Private websites" are the contemporary public square, especially so when half the world is locked at home and forced to communicate remotely.

Just because hardly anyone visits a website that aren't those private websites doesn't make them a public square. The analogy holds up IRL: most of our conversations happen on company property or in bars, and hardly anyone goes to the public square to mingle with strangers.

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#108

I work with a lot of folks from China and they are bending over backwards trying to defend the CCP. Their argument almost always boils down to "I know people who live in Xinjiang and they say it's not that bad." Equivalent to someone using their one black friend as proof that they can't possibly be racist.

I live in Hong Kong and that's exactly how I talk with people abroad totally panicking over the situation here. It's... not THAT bad. Certainly not as bad as portrayed, sometimes, west of the world.

Not saying I have any clue about Xinjiang or that the CCP is positive for the country, but I feel uneasy everyone switched from prisoner camps to genocide - it seems to distract away from the actual issue to move into borderline hysteria.

A bit like the HK situation moved from an extradition issue over a taiwan murder to a large "save Hong Kong" hysteria... But whatever, you used the racist card, what can we say ...

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay so what’s the “free speech” principle that demands sending in the government to force those websites to publish against their will?

> force those websites to publish against their will? I would argue that the will of the websites is to actually allow publishing for the most amount of people. And they censor the opposing political views only because the government-aligned forces make them to. Basically if every corporation needs the government to survive they are going to do everything the government wants, even if they don’t admit to it. They wou…

Why would you argue that? Do you have any evidence?

Re: Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

#110
post #16

The world did nothing when same was happening in Tibet and China was a fraction of its current power. Nothing is going to happen now when China is obviously more powerful. Moreover, none of the Muslim countries care, ME countries will happily sell China oil and Pakistan touts it’s relationship with China.

The world would have done nothing about Hitler if he hadn't started invading the rest of Europe [1]. And the CCP is smart enough to focus on economic domination instead of land-war. This is my greatest fear for humanity right now. [1] https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/britain-ado... Edit: Why would this get downvoted? Do you disagree with the interpretation of history (and extrapolation to our current…

Framing everything in relation to WW2 actually holds people back from looking at the problem and formulating an actual solution. Almost every relevant parameter is wildly different: analogies based on simplified similarities are seductive but fundamentally flawed.
Post reply on HN