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Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Interesting. Have you heard of Aether though? It seems a lot simpler, but achieving the same result. It's a flood network, I believe. https://getaether.net/

Looks interesting. Unfortunately, flooding does not scale, its cost is O(n²) where n is the number of participants. The saddest part is that if they were to switch to a less bandwidth-crippling scheme (such as GossipSub), that would destroy the whole purpose because malicious agents can start soliciting messages, and given there is no premix layer on top, time to reveal your identity is going to start approaching zero.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither do…

It seems like you might have sympathies with the cancel-culture SJWs and oppose whatever this gal is behind. Rather than letting your emotions run wild, perhaps asking questions and thinking carefully might make more sense. For instance, foremost in my thoughts is the question: to what extent do makers of effective open-source tools have any control over how they're used? Popularity for Pepe might mean use by progres…

This would be the dream goal. But if the system originates from a place of bad faith and bigotry, it will be hard to get anyone but the original bigots to adopt it. Unless someone forks it. Or uses the same algorithms/ideas to build their own version.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Technical question: Is it possible to build a service/platform that cannot be silenced?

I was thinking about Starlink and how if Musk wanted to they could make it resistant to censorship, but theoretically speaking, it would still be possible in the extreme to bring that platform down. So that raised the question in my mind: What would it take to make a platform bullet proof from censorship?

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." This is a very ignorant take on freedom of speech and a terrible foundation for your project.

Care to elaborate? How do you protect against abuse of any exceptions in the long term? Why do you characterise absolute freedom of speech as an "ignorant" take, which could be construed as a bad-faith discussion tactic on here.

With “absolute free speech”, a couple of us could find your name and address, spread credible and damaging falsehoods about you, and there’s nothing you could do to stop us. And that’s not just in some online soapbox; we could call your employer, make police reports, put ads in newspapers, put posters on utility poles, tell your neighbours, tell the businesses that serve you, etc.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ignorant" == you can't be bothered to come up with a genuine refutation

How about: drumming up hatred and demonizing people has a long history of terrible consequences, e.g., rwanda, nazi germany, kkk, ...

You make a good point but you can't in the long term fight against this in a healthy way by stifling peoples access to information. Some people seem to hold the worldview that they know the right answers and must protect the simpletons from the wrong ones, where others would like to make all information available and trust in people to eventually form sensible solutions.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch: this is some white dude worrying that white dudes might be silenced. Show me all the money trying to make marginalized voices heard and then you cannot fuck off into the multiverse like whichever anime show you Stan but don’t respect.

Stop equating strong freedom-of-speech ideals with racism. Nobody should be silenced unless they are directly inciting violence. Remember, any exceptions can be twisted around as social norms change.

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