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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by samus »

sebmellen wrote: post #68
askytb wrote: post #16

I was curious about freedom of travel benefits and made an app where you can check how many more countries you'd be able to access with another passport on top of your existing one: https://multinational.io/best_passport

Neat! Just a note — Germans can have dual citizenship, which doesn't seem to match up with your classification.

It's quite tricky with Germany - they only allow citizenships acquired by birth in all cases. It is easier with EU and Swiss citizenships or if they deem it to be unreasonably complicated or expensive to relinquish the other citizenship, e.g. the US one.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by samus »

klipt wrote: post #55
gamekathu wrote: post #48

The post glosses over Canada by not mentioning Quebec. If you are in Quebec, chances of your getting a Permanent Residency is close to slim if you do not have French language proficiency. Thus, while living in Quebec for 5 years now, being a grad student, I neither qualify for PR nor citizenship by naturalization.

In the US a student visa never leads to naturalization, you need a green card first. I think that's the case in most countries. I heard of someone from Haiti getting Canadian citizenship while going to grad school in Quebec but that seems more an exception than the rule.

The French language requirement doesn't seem too onerous in this case as French is one of the official languages of Haiti.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by samus »

nyokodo wrote: post #77
refurb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US does not require you to give up any other citizenship if you get US citizenship by naturalization.

No it doesn’t. Although, the oath does place limits on the exercise of any foreign citizenship. For instance a Brit who is a naturalized US Citizenship can’t run for Parliament because it would require them to give an oath of loyalty to the Queen.

There are fun workarounds around that oath. But the point is true in general: as a Member of Parliament, one must put priority to their duty to the country they represent. One might ask whether MPs with sole citizenship perform well in that regard, but it is quite easier to raise doubts in case of MP with additional citizenships.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by samus »

oh_sigh wrote: post #62
klipt wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly the former, if they offer a 1 year visa to A citizens but a 10 year visa to B citizens, you can say "I'm a B citizen!" and get the 10 year visa. Hiding the fact you're an A citizen is usually only helpful in hostage/terrorist situations which you'd probably want to avoid in any case.

That's what I assumed is the case, but my question is about how much data each country might have on the citizens of other countries, and whether that would affect this arrangement. I was thinking specifically of the certain countries where you needed to hide the fact that you have been to Israel. Or, for example, to Iran - where Americans need special government babysitters to visit the country but the Swiss don't.…

Everybody involved in this (serious) game knows that people can have multiple passports and that the ones with disadvantageous information are usually not shown. There is indeed an ongoing risk that authorities get information some way or another (flight records, informants, data breaches, social networks) and start connecting dots. Intelligence services probably do that all the time to keep tabs on operatives of other countries.

In the Iran case, the safe way seems to disclose the double citizenship and accept the babysitters. As a Swiss, I would clarify with the Swiss embassy whether they can intervene in case the double citizenship causes further problems. It seems likely, as the person would still be a Swiss citizen. It all depends how much hassle it is to sour the diplomatic relationship with Switzerland.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by benhurmarcel »

audiometry wrote: post #29
disabled wrote: post #25

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US. I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In…

Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA even while living in Europe. Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” because it exposes them to a lot of onerous requirements. Can make banking somewhat a pain.

> Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons”

A lot of banks just straight out refuse it. Especially the ones with the lowest fees.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by hiq »

mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

As a German, why did you get Croatian citizenship for your kids? For sentimental reasons, or were there practical advantages as well?

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by benhurmarcel »

the_local_host wrote: post #24
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have only a French passport so far, and I can settle in 31 countries without any issues. Sometimes you just get the right one ;-)

By "settle", do you mean "visa not required", or permanent residency?

I moved between different EU countries over the years, every time you don't have to request any authorization to settle or work, you just declare that you're doing it at the beginning.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by hiq »

samus wrote: post #120
emptysongglass wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this legal? Most countries in the world disallow holding more than 2 citizenships. Do these countries know your kids are holding four? If they do not, they need to be informed.

It seems to work out with this set of countries. Croatia lets you keep other citizenships if you claim the Croatian one via jus sanguinius. German citizenship is compatible with other EU/Swiss citizenships and citizenships acquired at birth. The US and Switzerland don't care that much. In practice, such webs of multiple citizenships can become tricky if one of the countries involved has mandatory draft, but it seems…

> it seems you can avoid the Swiss draft if you don't live there

I think you can apply for an exemption especially if were already subject to the military draft of your country of origin. You might also be exempt if you just gain citizenship after a certain age.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by BerislavLopac »

mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

Neki sakupljaju marke, neki putovnice... :D

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by lucian1900 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #99
mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

How is this legal? Most countries in the world disallow holding more than 2 citizenships. Do these countries know your kids are holding four? If they do not, they need to be informed.

It's the opposite. Most countries don't have an opinion on other citizenships. A minority disallow you from having another, sometimes only after the 2nd. An even smaller minority require you to relinquish any other citizenships when gaining theirs.
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