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Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

If you were ok with settling outside India you could become a citizen of another country which supports dual citizenship.

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Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land". Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extre…

> Being Canadian will be a sort of administrative identity more than anything resembling a citizenship.

This is pretty much how my US citizenship is now after living abroad for about 6 years and having a long term bearish outlook on NA, EU, China, Japan (demographics, sovereign/corp debt + real yields).

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Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

Yes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization.

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.

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I’m reminded of Accidental Citizens:

https://www.internationalinvestment.net/news/4012853/acciden...

There was a better article on this, but I didn’t find it.

Essentially, being born in the U. S while living elsewhere is a financial burden. As in, you haven’t been here since birth, but you are expected to pay for citizenry.

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I left the US pre-pandemic for a country that eradicated Covid, and couldn't agree more with the author's decision to leave.

Particularly if you're in your 20s and fully remote, I'd highly encourage you to look into Australia or New Zealand's working holiday visa.

For fans of E.Asia, the Taiwan gold card [1][2] may be of interest.

[1]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan/

[2]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan-gold-card/

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post #13

Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

Yes. The US used to be quite strict about this. It still is if you acquire US citizenship by naturalization. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen " The deal for people who are already US citizens is easier.

The US does not require you to give up any other citizenship if you get US citizenship by naturalization.

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I’m a citizen of three countries: Russia, Israel, and the United States. I can’t say I’ve ever found myself grateful for three whole passports.

Speak for yourself :-) Multiple passports, in 2021 gives you options that are invaluable. You can establish homes in 3 countries. In case of emergency in one country you can go to another 2. You can enter countries that exclude citizens with one or more passports. There is so much to be thankful for with multiple citizenships. The one major downside is U.S. Taxes. Be very grateful to your parents and self-initiative.

I have only a French passport so far, and I can settle in 31 countries without any issues.

Sometimes you just get the right one ;-)

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I was curious about freedom of travel benefits and made an app where you can check how many more countries you'd be able to access with another passport on top of your existing one: https://multinational.io/best_passport

Very cool, thanks!

One little request: please list Ireland as Ireland like it's done everywhere else. Couldn't find it until I tried another country and saw it in the list as "the Republic of Ireland"

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post #8

Multiple-citizenship has always been fascinating to me. For example, most countries oaths of citizenship are worded in such a way that preclude loyalty split between them and another, yet they don't prevent or punish their citizens for holding dual citizenship.

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land". Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extre…

The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement.

Since when?

I grew up in Canada and obtained citizenship there in 1990. (After the USA decided that they were sick and tired of losing dual citizenship cases in the Supreme Court and stopped pursuing them.) There was no such acknowledgement of the ceremony that I took part in.

Incidentally my children get to be Canadian. But my grandchildren do not unless they are born in Canada. That seems reasonable.

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