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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by bitcharmer »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #88
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society. I don’t know what it is about Europeans on American websites telling us how great it is to have 1/3 less PPP and higher taxes, but I sure as hell don’t want my taxes any higher. A grand total of none of my international friends have anywhere near…

>I don’t know what it is about Europeans on American websites telling us how great it is to have 1/3 less PPP and higher taxes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... I don't mean to be rude but please look at that above link and understand how poor you as a citizen of USA are. It's frustrating to come from a country thats ~3X as wealthy as the USA in terms of median wealth (i'm Australian) an…

Not only that:

> what it is about Europeans on American websites telling us...

There's this strong sentiment among Americans that I see on social media so often these days that the Internet is somehow an American thing and we need to watch our mouths or get off their lawn.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by [deleted] »

cko wrote: post #79
vecinu wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society. Can you please go on with this point and provide some 1-1 examples you've personally seen? I keep dreaming and have, for the last 5 years, about leaving the US and living in Europe but I feel like I'm throwing away an enormous economic opportunity…

I am semi retired (unemployed) living in Romania, but you'd likely want to be in Portugal for the cost of living, weather, and food. Also they have a ten year tax friendly program called Non Habitual Residency. I'm currently aiming for Portugal. Yes, salaries are low all across the EU (Switzerland is not in the EU) and taxes are high, so ideally I recommend working remotely and bouncing between Portugal and Spain or…

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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by matt_f »

xrendan wrote: post #32
atweiden wrote: post #15

I left the US pre-pandemic for a country that eradicated Covid, and couldn't agree more with the author's decision to leave. Particularly if you're in your 20s and fully remote, I'd highly encourage you to look into Australia or New Zealand's working holiday visa. For fans of E.Asia, the Taiwan gold card [1][2] may be of interest. [1]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan/ [2]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan-go…

How do you find the timezone change if you work remotely for an American company?

Annoying.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tardismechanic »

d3nj4l wrote: post #42
tardismechanic wrote: post #6

"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

That’s easily “circumvented” with an OCI (Overseas Citizenship of India) card. You lose the right to vote or hold public office, but have permanent residence and authorisation to work.

Sorry, but without right to vote/run for office, it's not citizenship.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tardismechanic »

dreamer7 wrote: post #11
tardismechanic wrote: post #6

"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

If you were ok with settling outside India you could become a citizen of another country which supports dual citizenship.

You mean you will have to become a citizen of two countries outside India both of which support DC - coz India doesn't.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by mrsaint »

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships.

My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years.

When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work.

Them gaining Croatian citizenship was more involved. First I needed to apply for it for myself through my dad. I also bought a second home in Croatia were we've spent most of our holidays. I also maintain a Croatian bank account that I use to cover local bills. It took several years and a good lawyer to get passed the beaucracy. Ultimately I received the Croatian passport and so did our children about half a year later.

After staying for over 10 years in Switzerland, my wife, my kids and I applied for Swiss citizenship. It cost us a couple of thousand US dollars, a clean record (no outstanding bills, no other credit issues, proof that you can take financial care of the family), proof of "proper integration" (like do I frequently visit the local pub... really!), a German language proficiency test for my wife, and a test for both of us showing that we understand the cultural, religious and political aspects of Swiss society. The process took exactly one year when we received our passports.

Was it all worth it? I think so. It is a liberating feeling to know that you can move between countries. We also wanted our kids to be able to choose for themselves where to live once they are grown up.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tardismechanic »

davchana wrote: post #56
tardismechanic wrote: post #6

"The Indian Citizenship Act, 1955, does not allow dual citizenship." So that's not an option for 1.32 Billion people.

Yes, but India has something called Person Of Indian Origin Card, PIO Card. Which is also known as semi passport. You don't need visa to Infia, can buy land, business. Cant vote, stand in elections, hold government jobs. Edit: or i think its OCI Card, Overseas Citizen of India. PIO is discontinued.

The "C" in "OCI" is Orwellian - sorry, but if you cannot vote/run for office you are not a citizen.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by sircastor »

xrendan wrote: post #32
atweiden wrote: post #15

I left the US pre-pandemic for a country that eradicated Covid, and couldn't agree more with the author's decision to leave. Particularly if you're in your 20s and fully remote, I'd highly encourage you to look into Australia or New Zealand's working holiday visa. For fans of E.Asia, the Taiwan gold card [1][2] may be of interest. [1]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan/ [2]: https://notebook.wesleyac.com/taiwan-go…

How do you find the timezone change if you work remotely for an American company?

I’m not the OP, but I have a similar situation. I’m on the west coast and work for a company based in the UK.

For the most part, it’s a minor annoyance that any problems I have or questions I need answers to are a 24 hour turn around, but otherwise I get my work done and deliver it and they get it the next day. If you’re on top of things, it’s not too challenging.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by emptysongglass »

mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

How is this legal? Most countries in the world disallow holding more than 2 citizenships. Do these countries know your kids are holding four? If they do not, they need to be informed.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by feanaro »

vecinu wrote: post #58
disabled wrote: post #25

I am a dual citizen of the United States and Croatia (European Union citizen). I am culturally American, and I have spent the vast majority of my life in the US. I left the US about a month before the lockdowns started. I have been living in Croatia for the past year. I can technically live/work/retire in any EU/EFTA country (minus Lichtenstein--has an immigration quota), due to having Freedom of Movement rights. In…

> But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society. Can you please go on with this point and provide some 1-1 examples you've personally seen? I keep dreaming and have, for the last 5 years, about leaving the US and living in Europe but I feel like I'm throwing away an enormous economic opportunity…

What do you need this wealth for?

Bear in mind that wealth is relative. The differences in cost of living are dramatic between countries so a much smaller wealth in one country can be much larger in another.

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