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United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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It’s amazing that an aircraft can still fly pretty much normally and land safely after such a failure. Imagine if software were built with such resiliency.

It exists, in the on-board systems of these planes.

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Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#293
post #290

No doubt this was a happy ending, but modern airplanes like the 777 are perfectly capable of flying, even climbing with one engine. So, while it seems very heroic on the part of the pilot, it is pretty ordinary and non news. What I do think is a happy outcome is the debris from the disintegrating engine did not fall on someone and kill/injure them. Source: Pilot.

Flying on one engine is one thing. Flying one engine while the other is on fire due to unknown causes is another. Still newsworthy in my book.

Source: also a pilot

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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post #221

Some honest questions here for experts: 0. Why was the engine flaming in the first video? Why didn't the pilots cut fuel to that engine immediately and use the other engine to land? 1. What is the best way to communicate issues to the pilot if you're a passenger and see something the pilot can't see? For example once I was sitting in the back of the aircraft on Airtran and I saw a screw on the jet loosening and almos…

> 1. What is the best way to communicate issues to the pilot if you're a passenger and see something the pilot can't see?

Flight attendants is the passengers' interface to the whole flight environment. BTW there's seniority rank among the attendants too, chain of command, so to speak.

I would think that your observation was likely being noted, not sure if relayed to the pilots. Juice is the best option, noone needs to have a panic in the cabin.

Did you try to mention that observation again but at the arrival, during the "Thank you, good bye!" time? Sometimes you may even see the captain there.

P.S. Once, my flight was cancelled (all boarded already) because the crew discovered a missing "Exit" sign in the cabin and the mechanics at the airport could not find the exact part for the plane model. Call this an attention to details!

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

#295

Maybe a system for emergency detaching of the failed engine with a parachute would help aleviate the consequences of flying with a uncontrollably vibrating fireball?

The kind of incident that happened on this flight is incredibly rare, and in fact nobody got hurt. Sadly, while I get where you’re going, what you propose would almost certainly make emergencies more common, not less.

To implement your solution you’d need at least:

- Some kind of mechanical release to let the engine go

- reliable ways to disconnect the electricity, fuel, control, hydraulic and other connections without affecting the rest of the aircraft when the engine detached

- a parachute with a release mechanism

Each of these mechanisms comes with its own disastrous failure case:

- engine mechanically releases when it shouldn’t, taking everything with it (this has happened [0]), or engine is released while still producing thrust despite the fire, destroying the wing or tail

- hydraulic or other lines don’t release when they should, taking everything with it in an otherwise survivable situation

- parachute fails, dropping engine on people, parachute catches fire in flight, parachute accidentally deploys in flight...

This is just off the top of my head, I’m sure there are many other potential problems.

Sometimes the best solution is to work out what happened and make it less likely to happen, rather than add stuff to catch it after it fails.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Offtopic to OP but regarding Linus Tech Tips: I also stopped watching 90% of all LMG (his company) videos (on all their channels) because of the clickbait forcing me to click onto things that I am not interested in, only to quickly leave the video. I am not going to watch what I don't want to watch whether it has a clickbait thumbnail and title or not, so they just annoy me more with this. I have not voiced my opinio…

There's a fan community? I was always under the impression that his videos served as glorified ads for consumer tech. The technical insight delivered was skin deep. Didn't he brag about a 20 drive NAS one week only to cry about the raid0 config dying and taking down a lot of their footage the next week?

I'm not sure if you're referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrnXgAmK8k ("All of our data is gone"), but in any case, I've heard references to ZFS in later videos so yeah, the situation's probably not quite that insane now.

That video is technically hilarious though, it TL;DRs as "download Ubuntu-based USB image provided random RAID recovery company, boot USB and provide said company headless SSH to broken system"... at one point in the video I remember Linus talks to another recovery company about the process and the guy pretty much went "...O.o..." which IMO sums my own opinion up, lol

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a fan community? I was always under the impression that his videos served as glorified ads for consumer tech. The technical insight delivered was skin deep. Didn't he brag about a 20 drive NAS one week only to cry about the raid0 config dying and taking down a lot of their footage the next week?

I don't think it was Raid 0 if you're talking about the time a long time ago they nearly lost data. If I recall correctly, the data was in Raid 6, but there was no external backup.

Video for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrnXgAmK8k

Actually a pretty good telling of a story all too common for those tasked with handling precious data.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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I'm an Air Traffic Controller at Houston Center, and a regular user of this website. Today I was the Radar Associate controller in the Ocean West sector when that aircraft flew through. The Radar Associate works alongside the Radar Controller, and performs coordinations and other actions to assist the Radar Controller. It is the Radar Controller who talks with the aircraft on frequency. In the Ocean West sector, the…

Is RADAR Controller the senior position and RADAR Associate the junior position? That is, does one normally progress from Associate to Controller? How long does it take to progress from one to the next? Is it common/expected for people in your position to move to different airports?

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Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an Air Traffic Controller at Houston Center, and a regular user of this website. Today I was the Radar Associate controller in the Ocean West sector when that aircraft flew through. The Radar Associate works alongside the Radar Controller, and performs coordinations and other actions to assist the Radar Controller. It is the Radar Controller who talks with the aircraft on frequency. In the Ocean West sector, the…

Is RADAR Controller the senior position and RADAR Associate the junior position? That is, does one normally progress from Associate to Controller? How long does it take to progress from one to the next? Is it common/expected for people in your position to move to different airports?

Radar Controllers and Radar Associates are just staffing positions.

Some background information to build on…

An Air Traffic Controller's job title when they start out is Air Traffic Control Specialist. An Air Traffic Control Specialist starts out in the AG pay band (Academy Graduate). When that Controller gets certifications, they move up to the D1 pay band (Developmental), then to D2, D3, and when they get all of their certifications or "fully certify", they end in the CPC pay band and their job title changes to Certified Professional Controller.

The Radar Controller position is also called the R-side, and the Radar Associate position is also called the D-side. A trainee needs to certify on all of their D-sides before they start training on their R-sides.

So basically the answer to your first two questions is "yes". However there can be a more experienced controller working the D-side while a new controller is working the R-side. The Air Traffic Controllers rotate through the different positions throughout the day. It is based on when someone arrives for their shift, or comes back to the control room from their break, they check with the controller that has been on a position the longest, and asks that person if they want a break. If not, the Controller moves on to the next person who has been working the longest, and so forth.

ARTCCs or Air Route Traffic Control Centers or just "Centers", are divided into "specialties" (or "areas") that controllers are assigned to. Each specialty is divided into sectors. At the minimum, each sector needs to staffed by a Radar Controller. If the sector is busy with a lot of traffic or is complex due to weather events, or maybe traffic being rerouted from another sector, then a Radar Associate position will be staffed at that sector. If traffic is very light, for example in the middle of the night, sectors can be combined and one Radar Controller will work multiple sectors and talk to multiple aircraft on different frequencies.

The time it takes to get certified depends on many factors. It could be anywhere from one month, to six months. From starting out to get fully certified, can take anywhere between two years, to five years. It depends on many factors, such as personal ability, training opportunities, training backlogs, etc.

It is common for people to switch facilities at least once. Some stay at their first facility, some move several times. When a Controller graduates from the FAA's training facility (that's where "Academy Graduate" comes from), they are given a short list of facilities to chose from. The list constantly changes based on the FAA's staffing needs.

The FAA does do "direct hires" for people with previous ATC experience (usually through military) directly into certain facilities, but a new hire without experience won't know where they'll go when they start out.

The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of FAA.

Re: United B772 at Denver on Feb 20th 2021, engine inlet separates from engine

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I really appreciate focused news sites like avherald. Just the facts, a collection of photos and videos, straightforward. The video of the landing & the passengers cheering—- that huge sigh of relief. Brings a smile to my face.

What, you don’t like the anchor people on TV asking each other how they feel about every piece of news and making horrible puns at every opportunity? Or having expected announcements be reported as BREAKING NEWS?

I distinctly recall signing up for "breaking news alerts" a few days after 9/11. I figured if something major happened, it would be nice to receive a notification about it. I quickly learned that my definition of breaking news was dramatically different from that of the news..
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