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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

tomcooks wrote: post #438
leesalminen wrote: post #172

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Wow, I’m sorry to hear that. Sounds tyrannical to me.

Afaik most European countries have a travel ban unless it's for work. Minimizing contact and travel, together with masks and sanitation，is proven to work and currently the only solution- unless hey you have a non tyrannical alternative then please let me know

Few European countries prevent people from leaving the country for leisure or family visits. I myself have managed to travel a bit this winter.

In some places, ruling parties have complained that they simply couldn’t prevent people from leaving even if they wanted to, because freely leaving and re-entering is enshrined in the country’s constitution. The UK, Australian, and New Zealand prevention on even leaving the country is much harsher than in most other developed countries.

"Minimizing contact and travel" is not the only solution, just perhaps the only solution you personally find palatable. Keeping borders open and simply accepting deaths works for me. Deaths are bad, but a new wave of nationalism and wall-building is worse.

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Post by solosoyokaze »

_uwiz wrote: post #405
the_af wrote: post #403

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> 300 days of restrictions. What country is that? We've had about 295 days of social distancing -- we recently moved from almost total lockdown to a less restricting stance, which also requires social distancing and discourages gatherings of people. > If you think that's selfish - cool, I'm selfish according to you. I'm not going to kill myself for your social credit score, stop trolling. I really hope nobody gets si…

I'm simply refusing the concept that my mental health is "opt-in". If you don't want to interact with me, that's cool. If you want to ban large gatherings and restrict smaller ones for a period of time, I get it. When it gets to the point that it becomes illegal to be outside without an excuse, 300 days in, you're just subjecting people to cruel and unusual punishment at this point. The idea that people are going to…

In the UK it's neither illegal to go outside, nor illegal to have lunch on a park bench as you keep claiming. Your entire argument is false (and selfish).

It's not about you, it's about not spreading disease to others.

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Post by DanBC »

RhodoGSA wrote: post #310
misterS wrote: post #290

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> anyone who tells you "You must do this for the saftey of others" can go fuck themselves. You have no right to tell me what I can and can't do as long as i am not causing DIRECT harm to you. Do you not count spreading a virus & possibly infecting others as causing direct harm?

No - I don't. If you are at a bar at the height of the pandemic, i'm definitely not causing you any harm by being there also. However, I do avoid my family who might be older. I don't go to large family gatherings. I do, however, believe American Ideals of freedom and free speech have definitely been harmed through this ordeal. No one can have any different opinion about COVID without being canceled. As we are gettin…

> massive suicide increases

> but the suicide rate spiked by 30%

Neither of these have happened.

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Post by CydeWeys »

Wintamute wrote: post #271
CydeWeys wrote: post #266

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> How unsafe it is to your personally? That's a very selfish way of looking at things. The problem with being a communicable disease is that even if I'm fine, others I give it too might not be. I'm trying to be a team player here. Also, I'm not in a low-risk group personally anyway.

No, not selfish. See answer below https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26194718

There's currently around 80 people dying from COVID-19 per day here in NYC, and the highest death rates have been from food service workers. 80 is way too high (it's over 10X what it was late summer), and I'm not going to do anything to potentially contribute to that. And Cuomo the nursing home reaper doesn't exactly have the moral high ground here in saying what is and isn't safe.

I'm going to go back to my normal life once I've been vaccinated. At this rate there's only a couple more months to go. I've already made it 11 months, I can do a couple more.

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Post by RalfWausE »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #227
ravenstine wrote: post #222

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Your region might be different, but I've heard others say the same thing about my area and, frankly, I see it as wishful thinking. People aren't happy in general, but they both have surrogate outlets for their frustration(Netflix, porn, junk food, weed) and have been conditioned to accept lower standards; being able to eat outdoors in someone's parking lot with plastic dividers is considered "exciting" now, depending…

Those "torches and pitchforks" would quickly be followed by ventilators and graves. I absolutely despise authority and loss of individual liberty, but this isn't a fabricated crisis. Once you see multiple people you know devastated by COVID, you quickly realize it's not a hoax. I'm talking about younger people too (20-40), permanently damaged respiratory systems and near death experiences.

I have seen people getting shot, stabbed and blown apart, was shot at and was near an botched airstrike... perhaps this makes me a bit ehm... "unempathic", but the only thing i really, really fear is an perpetual lockdown with no real end in sight.

So... i myself side with freedom and (risk of) death.

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Post by solosoyokaze »

RalfWausE wrote: post #455
solosoyokaze wrote: post #227

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Those "torches and pitchforks" would quickly be followed by ventilators and graves. I absolutely despise authority and loss of individual liberty, but this isn't a fabricated crisis. Once you see multiple people you know devastated by COVID, you quickly realize it's not a hoax. I'm talking about younger people too (20-40), permanently damaged respiratory systems and near death experiences.

I have seen people getting shot, stabbed and blown apart, was shot at and was near an botched airstrike... perhaps this makes me a bit ehm... "unempathic", but the only thing i really, really fear is an perpetual lockdown with no real end in sight. So... i myself side with freedom and (risk of) death.

> perhaps this makes me a bit ehm... "unempathic"

Yes, I believe that's the case. Most people have not witnessed these things first hand. Nor should they.

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Post by jm__87 »

schwartzworld wrote: post #444
jm__87 wrote: post #185

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I think it may be tough to imagine what being alone and isolated for a year does to a person if you are someone who is stuck inside with the same people all day. I would imagine the situation for those with family is very difficult and exhausting... but not suicidal ideation level of difficult, which has been my experience with this extreme social isolation. This is in spite of devoting a lot of time and energy to se…

> Maybe my assumption here is wrong and there are plenty of people out there living with their families who are in as precarious a situation as I currently find myself. Yes, you are wrong. Everybody I know with little kids is suffering the same social isolation as you. 4 year olds do not count as socializing, especially when all of our kids are also feeling the negative effects of isolation as well. Besides that, you…

Sorry to hear all that. It wasn't my intent to imply that those with families aren't struggling - I know plenty who are.

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Post by joshuahughes »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #452
_uwiz wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm simply refusing the concept that my mental health is "opt-in". If you don't want to interact with me, that's cool. If you want to ban large gatherings and restrict smaller ones for a period of time, I get it. When it gets to the point that it becomes illegal to be outside without an excuse, 300 days in, you're just subjecting people to cruel and unusual punishment at this point. The idea that people are going to…

In the UK it's neither illegal to go outside, nor illegal to have lunch on a park bench as you keep claiming. Your entire argument is false (and selfish). It's not about you, it's about not spreading disease to others.

Sorry but you're wrong. Take a look at the UK lockdown rules (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#w...) and you'll find that...

"You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting)."

So your statement that the commenter's "entire argument is false" is, well, false.

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Post by solosoyokaze »

joshuahughes wrote: post #458
solosoyokaze wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK it's neither illegal to go outside, nor illegal to have lunch on a park bench as you keep claiming. Your entire argument is false (and selfish). It's not about you, it's about not spreading disease to others.

Sorry but you're wrong. Take a look at the UK lockdown rules ( https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#w... ) and you'll find that... "You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting)." So your statement that the commenter's "entire argument is false" is, well, false.

That’s in the “meeting other people” section. It says repeatedly you can go out to exercise, including with someone from your household.

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Post by [deleted] »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #451
tomcooks wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik most European countries have a travel ban unless it's for work. Minimizing contact and travel, together with masks and sanitation，is proven to work and currently the only solution- unless hey you have a non tyrannical alternative then please let me know

Few European countries prevent people from leaving the country for leisure or family visits. I myself have managed to travel a bit this winter. In some places, ruling parties have complained that they simply couldn’t prevent people from leaving even if they wanted to, because freely leaving and re-entering is enshrined in the country’s constitution. The UK, Australian, and New Zealand prevention on even leaving the c…

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