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Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by coldpie »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #163
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

I think we're turning the corner. I was firmly in the "doomer" camp before, but there are strong reasons for optimism now. New cases, daily deaths, and hospitalizations have all been falling rapidly for weeks now. The current estimate is for 50% of the US population to have received their first shot of vaccine by June 28: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine... That's at the current pace. The…

IMO Summer is a bit optimistic to be calling anything "normal," but I broadly agree we're near the end. Maybe by Fall or Winter we can hang out in bars again without feeling like we're killing somebody. In either case, now is not the time to give up. A few more months and we'll start seeing things ease up, I think. But we won't get there if we make things worse now. It sucks. Stay strong. Do what you can.

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Post by leesalminen »

jjgreen wrote: post #168
leesalminen wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait are you seriously saying that you can’t leave the country?!?

Yes, there are exceptions (vaguely stated, a funeral or what the police would regard as essential), but a holiday would be illegal. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

Wow, I’m sorry to hear that. Sounds tyrannical to me.

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Post by dashundchen »

brink wrote: post #146
e67f70028a46fba wrote: post #144

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Even the term: lockdown Free societies don’t have lockdowns. Prisons do. One would think that the government would come up with a better term, if only out of self interest. But then perhaps that’s the point.

What happened last spring was more or less incarceration. We weren't free. We weren't allowed to leave our houses. The term "lockdown" works quite well.

Outside the US maybe. Nowhere in the US was locked down. In fact a good portion of states never enforced restrictions at all.

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Post by coldpie »

globular-toast wrote: post #130
ycombinete wrote: post #69

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“Secured the means to reproduction”, sure does sound like something an alien, trying to act human, would say about finding a partner. A lot of people, especially in pub cultures like the UK socialise at their locals, they don’t just go there to aggressively pursue sex with strangers. It’s where they meet their friends after work, where they go to watch sport on the weekend etc.

I know. I live in the UK. I literally started my comment saying how different I am to other people and people keep replying about how not everyone is like me. Is reading comprehension really this bad or am I just rubbish at writing? I'm always happy to learn if it's the latter.

You're rubbish at writing.

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Post by tuyiown »

Glawen wrote: post #79
wayanon wrote: post #29

I gave up booze in Dec 2019 as a (temporary?) experiment so lockdown has been helpful for me as I don’t have to not drink with friends in bars. But I know lots of people miss it and I hate seeing business owners in trouble.

never really understood this severance. You can drink without getting drunk. I like to drink good beverages, but I don't like being drunk, so I just take a few glasses.

> never really understood this severance.

I suggest you should try to have a soft in a situation where you would have a drink. See if you're missing something, is it the taste ? the lack of alcool ? It really puts the relationship with the substance in the light, moderation doesn't mean you have total control, even if it does the trick for the body health.

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Post by michaelt »

lmm wrote: post #88
AltruisticGap2 wrote: post #66

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I understand your sentiment but for me the realization is different. For me seeing the streets of my capital city completely empty at beginning of lockdown, as well as the trams and buses (even though you could ride them), made me realize that I was living in an environment that is fundamentally not pleasant. That it was people that made it alive. Without people, I saw that this city which I always thought of as "the…

Wasn't that something we all knew already? People are what make cities worth living in, the point of living in a city is to be close to more people, and that naturally involves some compromises (though I'm all for non-grey buildings and minimising the space devoted to cars - something my city is fairly good at).

To an extent - but city-dwellers also often deal with the high density by ignoring one another, to a much greater extent than they would in a smaller community.

I've heard city-dwellers claim (perhaps partly in jest) to have spent decades standing with the same people at the commuter rail station every day without giving them so much as a nod or smile, let alone learning their names.

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Post by graeme »

robocat wrote: post #167
Clewza313 wrote: post #145

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But those mostly killed people still the prime of their lives, while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. If we measured the toll in disability-adjusted life years instead, the comparison would be quite different. Cynical thought: COVID lockdowns are extreme largely because unlike most public health problems it affects the rich t…

> while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. The average years lost is 10 years of life in the US and 16 world wide[1] - and I think you need to reconsider how callous your comment comes across (to me at least, and I would guess others too). [edited: added detail] I also feel your comment entirely disregards the point made by the…

> If we measured the toll in disability-adjusted life years instead, the comparison would be quite different.

I think you missed this part of their comment. They were arguing the deaths weren’t the same kind of deaths as in past catastrophes, but the long term ailments are bad and real.

Though I agree the years lost is bigger than people think.

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Post by C4stor »

I really like it :-)

(It's telling a lot about the state of the internet that this site loads google malware, but won't remember where I let the sliders when I refresh the page though.)

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Post by Clewza313 »

robocat wrote: post #167
Clewza313 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those mostly killed people still the prime of their lives, while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. If we measured the toll in disability-adjusted life years instead, the comparison would be quite different. Cynical thought: COVID lockdowns are extreme largely because unlike most public health problems it affects the rich t…

> while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. The average years lost is 10 years of life in the US and 16 world wide[1] - and I think you need to reconsider how callous your comment comes across (to me at least, and I would guess others too). [edited: added detail] I also feel your comment entirely disregards the point made by the…

I'm sorry if it comes off as callous, but we're comparing incidents of mass death here and disability-adjusted life years is how insurance companies and demographers do it. To be clear, I'm not saying it's a good thing that 500k people have died from COVID in the US, but simply that having same number of young, healthy people getting gunned down in the Battle of the Somme is almost any measure objectively worse.

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Post by theandrewbailey »

adrianb wrote: post #109
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

The link posted is cute and all but such initiatives are so easy to dismiss - what, you guys can't live without going to a bar? What are you, some kind of alcoholics? You don't want to save some lives? When in reality the lockdowns ask us to give up everything that makes us human - closeness and interaction with other people, hobbies, and many people can't even work or see their families any more. And we're making th…

You can't avoid risk. Life is full of risk. If one thing doesn't get you, something else will, but we don't shut down society because of them.
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