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Post by naruvimama »

firstSpeaker wrote: post #33
sremani wrote: post #17

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First world luxury - but the 2020s will teach a lesson about primacy of Nation-State. Watch the Germans.

What do you mean? You just throw a sentence without adding any substance here.

That is actually quite brilliant.

1. The refugee crisis that Germany brought in not only on itself but on the rest of the EU.

2. The same Germany has recently spearheaded a trade deal with the devil.

Germany used nationalism for the wrong reasons (short term gain and long term pain)

Re: Koo, India’s free-speech Twitter alternative

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Post by jskrn »

as300 wrote: post #37

I get the impression reading articles like this that the farm bills would certainly negatively impact farmer. See this quote from the article: >The country’s capital city has seen over four months of protest after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government enacted agricultural laws that would adversely affect farmers across India. However, from speaking to people and watching interviews where people discuss *the actua…

From a developmental economist's perspective: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/india-s-farmers-are-pr...

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Post by redpillor »

motohagiography wrote: post #93

The reaction of Koo may be more accurately described as being to globalization and the cultural homogenization it entails than against the largely western right/left divide. The diversity of opinions on mainstream platforms is starting to resemble being in an airport where you have the choice of mcdonald's, wendy's, burger king, or taco bell if you are looking for something exotic. Sure, it appeals to everyone, excep…

twitter refused to shut down pakistan's ISPR troll bot accounts who were trying to spread hate

twitter openly supported these trolls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEuB_2KzobY

and twitter also supported urban naxal terrorists who are funded by china.

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Post by xyzzyz »

danans wrote: post #110
rayiner wrote: post #56

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You need to cultivate tribal ties that are real, concrete, and meaningful and to some degree exclusionary. In the United States, we venerate the Constitution. We have a pantheon that includes founding fathers, Neil Armstrong, MLK, etc. We teach our children their stories. We have shared rituals, such as being conspicuously patriotic on the Fourth of July. We have shared objects of derision, such as French “surrender…

> You need to cultivate tribal ties that are real, concrete, and meaningful and to some degree exclusionary A somewhat exclusionary tribe that extends across an entire diverse country? Not likely. The only thing more tribalism will do is strengthen the existing stark tribal groups we have (which are primarily racial, religious, and class). > In the United States, we venerate the Constitution. We have a pantheon that…

> A somewhat exclusionary tribe that extends across an entire diverse country? Not likely.

Worked fine for most of the US history.

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Post by naruvimama »

lordleft wrote: post #15
99_00 wrote: post #5

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Why does 'nationalism' concern you. Is 'nationalism' always or almost always negative?

'nationalism' is typically distinguished from patriotism; the latter is a love of country -- the former is the conviction that one's country is better than other countries, on the basis of a rank tribalism.

This might be a common misconception, Abhinav Prakash has a nice explanation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C-ffQrFunk

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Post by foolinaround »

foolinaround wrote: post #97
mrzimmerman wrote: post #88

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Because the Republican party decided that because Trump was no longer president at the time of his 2nd impeachment trial he couldn't TECHNICALLY be convicted: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-yes-mccon... Which, if you paid attention to the trial was extremely well reported, so either you genuinely didn't pay attention at all or you're trying to imply anyone in Congress seriously believed he wasn't…

you have to check either your biases or where you get your stories from. If the impeachment managers did this stuff (fake the evidence such as videos, tweets, etc) in a real court, they would face serious consequences. The Chief Justice recognized it as a sham and did not participate, and one does not need to like Trump to know what this second round was. The first one was atleast done by the book...

i see the sibling comment and sorry, but i am not able to edit the post.

We all have biases, and yes, it is obvious without me alluding to it.

I have stated the facts that counter zimmerman's note

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Post by foolinaround »

cobraetor wrote: post #126
foolinaround wrote: post #97

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you have to check either your biases or where you get your stories from. If the impeachment managers did this stuff (fake the evidence such as videos, tweets, etc) in a real court, they would face serious consequences. The Chief Justice recognized it as a sham and did not participate, and one does not need to like Trump to know what this second round was. The first one was atleast done by the book...

Not really disagreeing with you, but Hacker News guidelines prohibits making negative comments about a person. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Everyone is biased, so it would be far more productive to just refute the central point, which in the case of mrzimmerman's comments on this thread (as you may realize) is rather straightforward[1] to do. http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html [1] For example…

thanks - unable to edit, i also posted again.

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Post by gnicholas »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #118
mc32 wrote: post #98

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Hate speech should be defined by laws rather than ToSes. With a ToS you can make it up as you like. Speaking against having pets could be hate speech against pet owners. I mean it could mean whatever the mods want it to mean. You can circumscribe it to only affect people you want affected for whatever reason.

> With a ToS you can make it up as you like. Speaking against having pets could be hate speech against pet owners. I mean it could mean whatever the mods want it to mean. You can circumscribe it to only affect people you want affected for whatever reason. To be fair, Congress could, on a whim, change the definitions of hate speech whenever they felt like it. If you're arguing about selective enforcement with TOS, the…

> To be fair, Congress could, on a whim, change the definitions of hate speech whenever they felt like it.

In the US, the legislature cannot unilaterally create rules that outlaw certain speech (unless that speech falls outside of the guarantees of the US Constitution). Also, there's no current definition of 'hate speech' in federal law.

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Post by themacguffinman »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #27
OptionX wrote: post #13

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A rather lackluster solution to the power of social media in current society. A nationalist-approved twitter clone seems most likely an euphemism for a politically-controlled echo box to preserve the status quo and foster ultra-nationalism. Reeks of an Indian Parler, and that didn't turn out great.

I am curious. You complain of the potential for it becoming a "a politically-controlled echo box," but how is that different from the current big social media sites? They are blatantly controlled too.

Government control is a whole different animal to the privatized moderation that is common in the current big social media sites. Private moderators don't receive unfair support from all-powerful state authorities nor do they have the total power of the state to censor beyond their platform. The Indian government is clearly upset that they lack the power to bully Twitter into silencing their critics:

> Citing threats to public order, on February 1, Indian authorities appeared to have requested Twitter to suspend or remove dozens of accounts on its platform. Twitter briefly complied but, after public outcry, reinstated the accounts and then refused to remove hundreds more.

> After weeks of battling with Twitter, some of India’s most prominent Hindu nationalist politicians took to their social accounts and instructed their followers to leave Western social networks for Koo, a local, free-speech platform. “I am now on Koo,” tweeted India’s minister of commerce and industry, Piyush Goyal.

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Post by naruvimama »

lordleft wrote: post #60
sremani wrote: post #34

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In the mother of multicultural societies - Nationalism is the fine thread that holds the thing together. India without Indian-Nationalism is warring states inviting new colonial powers for piece of action. This has been predicament of India since Alexander the Great. Strong borders externally and shallow border internally with rivers flowing in different directions created disparate cultures and population centers. I…

It is one thing to argue for an Indian National identity -- I think that's immensely useful and agree that it acts as a thread that can unify diverse polities and cultures. The problem is that the BJP is advancing a conception of Indian National Identity that flattens distinctions and is predicated on a caricature of Indian minorities. Hindutva sees Muslims, Christians and others as second-class citizens -- it is a n…

Hindu is a label automatically applied to all Indian.

Being a "Christian" is about actually accepting the bible, the first words that people hear from god is to kill the non-believers and idolators.

I understand where you are coming from, but I am fairly certain 99% of the Hindutva groups would be fine as long as you do not hold such extreme views.

So what is your take on the aggressive evangelism (mostly American) going on in India.

And what do you think of the RSS definition of Hindu which includes all Christians & Muslims who consider India their cultural source.

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