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Post by senthil_rajasek »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #24
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate speech inciting violence is what was banned not any speech.

They’ve clearly shown themselves to have huge biases. The policy on “hacked” materials is a good example that was selectively applied only against one side. I’m really not a Trump fan and find most of the “conservative” media hilariously amateurish, but if you don’t see the obvious bias Silicon Valley has, I’m afraid you’re not paying close enough attention. From the perspective of a foreign government, why let them…

My response was directly to your quote,

"restricting the speech of the president of America, clearly they’ll have no issue manipulating other governments."

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Post by rayiner »

99_00 wrote: post #5
sgpl wrote: post #4

I grew up in India - nationalism is definitely a growing concern for the country IMO, more so than can be expressed online by articles such as this. And nationalism definitely has a huge overlap with hinduism in the country. Creating siloed media platforms that lets such ideas fester and grow is probably the worst thing that can happen. The thing is that even gently challenging these ideas (with some folks I know bac…

Why does 'nationalism' concern you. Is 'nationalism' always or almost always negative?

A healthy nationalism is something countries should cultivate, in particular to unify disparate minority groups with the majority. A nationalism where a Hindu majority are stripping a Muslim minority of citizenship is probably not the good kind of nationalism.

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Post by firstSpeaker »

sremani wrote: post #17
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalism is always negative to me because I define it as blind allegiance to a tribe who you don't hold accountable.

First world luxury - but the 2020s will teach a lesson about primacy of Nation-State. Watch the Germans.

What do you mean? You just throw a sentence without adding any substance here.

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Post by sremani »

lordleft wrote: post #15
99_00 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does 'nationalism' concern you. Is 'nationalism' always or almost always negative?

'nationalism' is typically distinguished from patriotism; the latter is a love of country -- the former is the conviction that one's country is better than other countries, on the basis of a rank tribalism.

In the mother of multicultural societies - Nationalism is the fine thread that holds the thing together. India without Indian-Nationalism is warring states inviting new colonial powers for piece of action. This has been predicament of India since Alexander the Great. Strong borders externally and shallow border internally with rivers flowing in different directions created disparate cultures and population centers.

India without Indian Nationalism is Syria on Steroids.. You do not want to go there.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

99_00 wrote: post #30
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalism is always negative to me because I define it as blind allegiance to a tribe who you don't hold accountable.

Is your personal definition the common one?

I don't know. Merriam Webster has this:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

> loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

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Post by caseyross »

sgpl wrote: post #4

I grew up in India - nationalism is definitely a growing concern for the country IMO, more so than can be expressed online by articles such as this. And nationalism definitely has a huge overlap with hinduism in the country. Creating siloed media platforms that lets such ideas fester and grow is probably the worst thing that can happen. The thing is that even gently challenging these ideas (with some folks I know bac…

I found this tidbit from the interview interesting:

> I’m an independent person; I’m apolitical. We want to unify India.

I've started noticing more in the world how sometimes, people promote their stances as "apolitical", "independent", or somehow outside of politics. This has the powerful effect of implying that those stances are natural and un-opposable.

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Post by as300 »

I get the impression reading articles like this that the farm bills would certainly negatively impact farmer. See this quote from the article:

>The country’s capital city has seen over four months of protest after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government enacted agricultural laws that would adversely affect farmers across India.

However, from speaking to people and watching interviews where people discuss *the actual bill itself*, the only answer I ever hear is something along the lines of, "this bill *could potentially* lead to things that are bad."

I'm asking from a place of good-faith here, but what separates claims that the farm bill is bad from blatant fear-mongering?

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Post by sgpl »

99_00 wrote: post #5
sgpl wrote: post #4

I grew up in India - nationalism is definitely a growing concern for the country IMO, more so than can be expressed online by articles such as this. And nationalism definitely has a huge overlap with hinduism in the country. Creating siloed media platforms that lets such ideas fester and grow is probably the worst thing that can happen. The thing is that even gently challenging these ideas (with some folks I know bac…

Why does 'nationalism' concern you. Is 'nationalism' always or almost always negative?

In this instance it concerns me because this form of 'nationalism' is a net negative for India and its future generations. It's masquerading as national pride but it's an attack on the secularity of the country, an attack on minorities (religious, lgbtq+ folks, etc), an attack on free speech and an attack on political freedom/opposition.

India is not a monolith but a diverse country with a rich history and trying to force an entire country to 'fit in' to this narrative of 'nationalism' does more harm than good for society moving forward IMO.

As for your second question, I don't know enough to give a definitive answer on whether nationalism is always or almost always negative but in this case I feel it is.

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Post by ziftface »

indy wrote: post #22
lotsofpulp wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalism is always negative to me because I define it as blind allegiance to a tribe who you don't hold accountable.

unfortunately "blind allegiance to a tribe who you don't hold accountable" applies to almost everyone who regularly engages with social media.

Maybe so, but it becomes more serious when it's about policy. Not liking someone or leaving a snarky comment on twitter isn't the same as stripping people of citizenship or having state-sanctioned violence against a certain ethnic group.
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