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Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by edmundofuentes »

jdxcode wrote: post #274
edmundofuentes wrote: post #197

That's our local bar in Monterrey, Mexico [1]! We received some paper flyers with a QR when we had our first lockdown, it's nice seeing it pop up in HN. If anyone's wondering, the bar is still open and operating on a very limited capacity, which has made it much nicer in my opinion. Also, the usual jazz quartet has been replaced with a trio with much younger musicians, since understandably the older musicians don't w…

How is Monterrey for tourism? I've always been more interested in what Mexico is for most Mexicans than the typical tourist spots. It seems that Monterrey is the most "metropolitan" city in Mexico.

I've lived here for 10 years, so I might be a little biased. Monterrey is by far the most "americanized" city in Mexico, no doubt, and it's mostly a business and industrial hub.

As for tourism, there’s not much to do, at least not when compared to other Mexican cities with more heritage and culture. Being a big metropolitan city, there are many fine restaurants and entertainment attractions, and for me the stand-out landmark is Chipinque, a federal park in the mountains inside the city. You can go there to walk, hike, or ride, and you get a very nice view of the metropolitan area.

All in all, if you were making a tourist trip to Mexico, I’d recommend you pick some place else before coming to Monterrey. However, if you get to come here as a business trip, you’ll definitely have a nice time!

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Post by kelnos »

rebuilder wrote: post #248
iancmceachern wrote: post #235

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Boo! Life is life, who are we to judge who's is more or less valuable?

We are doing so now, by choosing to take the suicides and mental health problems lockdowns will result in over the deaths the pandemic would cause without lockdown. I mean, I'm not opposed to the lockdowns generally, but you can't pretend we aren't making choices about who suffers. Mostly we're choosing to take our chances on the unknown long-term consequences over the fairly well-understood risks we face now. The pe…

Yup, and I wish more people would recognize/admit this. The lockdown decisions may be the best decisions, but let's not pretend we're not trading some deaths for others.

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Post by kelnos »

gregmac wrote: post #226
Clewza313 wrote: post #145

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But those mostly killed people still the prime of their lives, while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. If we measured the toll in disability-adjusted life years instead, the comparison would be quite different. Cynical thought: COVID lockdowns are extreme largely because unlike most public health problems it affects the rich t…

> COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway What a disgusting attitude. How is this different from "Why bother treating cancer patients? Most are going to die early anyway"? Do you think old and sick people simply provide no value to society? I think you're trying to argue that it's worse if a young, otherwise healthy person dies, but…

Treating elderly cancer patients does not negatively affect the lives of other people.

Locking down the near-entirety of life has long-term physical and mental health implications that we probably don't fully understand. There have already been suicides directly attributable to COVID-imposed isolation.

It's possible -- and even likely -- that the lockdowns are the right move overall, but the lockdowns themselves have destroyed lives too. Taking measures to protect against something that overwhelmingly affects one segment of the population has a big negative effect on everyone else as well.

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Post by orangecat »

anyonecancode wrote: post #375
orangecat wrote: post #347

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The psychological toll is from there being a deadly global pandemic. I agree that there's going to be an ambient level of anxiety from knowing that there's a nasty disease out there, but are you really saying that not being able to see your friends and family, or losing your job, or having to scramble to work from home while managing your children's remote "learning" has no additional impact? there's not some magical…

> I agree that there's going to be an ambient level of anxiety from knowing that there's a nasty disease out there, but are you really saying that not being able to see your friends and family, or losing your job, or having to scramble to work from home while managing your children's remote "learning" has no additional impact? Of course it has an impact. If we didn't have social restrictions and consequently had much…

I appreciate your reasonable response. I wish we could have more discussions like this rather than the shouting matches of "masks in grocery stores are tyranny" and "you're a selfish asshole for occasionally wanting to have human contact".

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Post by solosoyokaze »

kelnos wrote: post #384
solosoyokaze wrote: post #225

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Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and will never be the same. I'm always surprised to find people who think the lockdown is excessive. COVID is absolutely no joke even if you're young, it's not the flu. Not even close, you don't want it.

Not the parent poster, but I still think a bunch of people getting killed in a war is worse than dying from COVID, even if they are literally the same people dying in both cases. The latter is just nature being nature, and while we can respond in some ways to reduce deaths, it will never be perfect. I get that in some ways that feels worse, because there's a feeling of powerlessness. But the former is humans being sh…

It's "natural" for humans to fight too, it doesn't make it pleasant. I don't know that war and disease need to be ranked. Both are horrible and humanity has a long history suffering with both.

We now know enough about the nature of disease that we can be somewhat effective dealing with it. If people embrace the science that is.

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Post by kelnos »

Nursie wrote: post #229
michaelt wrote: post #191

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> Part of the current problem is that we don't have a timetable. I can understand why people want things to look forward to - and why businesses and people whose jobs will reopen would want dates in advance so they can plan. But the dumbest thing the government could do is schedule reopenings before we know if it'll be safe to reopen. That's what they did with the second lockdown - announced upfront that it was from…

> But the dumbest thing the government could do is schedule reopenings before we know if it'll be safe to reopen. Sure. But while there is no end in sight, despair will rule. Whether it's reasonable to want a fixed timetable or not. This is also why I mentioned criteria - even if not a fixed timetable, we could at least know what sort of criteria would trigger a rule change. I.E. when we get down to X cases per day,…

> Sure. But while there is no end in sight, despair will rule. Whether it's reasonable to want a fixed timetable or not.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. After the second timeline turns out to be completely made up, people will stop trusting them and add "more distrust of government" to their despair.

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Post by the_af »

_uwiz wrote: post #370
the_af wrote: post #341

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> If it's the right solution, then it will be followed Social isolation isn't an opt-in kind of measure. Furthermore, the average person doesn't have the background or tools to evaluate whether it works. It's a public health matter, and you do have to follow the advice of the relevant authorities. This is like the law against drinking and driving in many countries: you cannot decide to opt-out of this restriction. It…

Awesome. I'm opting out anyway. "What are you in for, son"? "Being outside without an excuse." Clown world.

"What are you in for, son?"

"Drinking and driving, but I actually drive better while I'm drunk, these cops know nothing!"

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Post by _uwiz »

the_af wrote: post #397
_uwiz wrote: post #370

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Awesome. I'm opting out anyway. "What are you in for, son"? "Being outside without an excuse." Clown world.

"What are you in for, son?" "Drinking and driving, but I actually drive better while I'm drunk, these cops know nothing!"

Outside without an excuse.

It's illegal in the UK to take a picnic to a park bench.

I'm sorry for your loss. But no, it's not drunk driving, it's existing as a human being.

Best of luck.

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Post by the_af »

_uwiz wrote: post #398
the_af wrote: post #397

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"What are you in for, son?" "Drinking and driving, but I actually drive better while I'm drunk, these cops know nothing!"

Outside without an excuse. It's illegal in the UK to take a picnic to a park bench. I'm sorry for your loss. But no, it's not drunk driving, it's existing as a human being. Best of luck.

It's not a dystopian martial law and you're not summarily shot or arrested. Maybe it's different in the UK, do they arrest you there?

It's about not being selfish and helping contain or flatten the contagion. It's about thinking about others and not just yourself.

> it's existing as a human being

A selfish human being, yes.

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Post by _uwiz »

the_af wrote: post #399
_uwiz wrote: post #398

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Outside without an excuse. It's illegal in the UK to take a picnic to a park bench. I'm sorry for your loss. But no, it's not drunk driving, it's existing as a human being. Best of luck.

It's not a dystopian martial law and you're not summarily shot or arrested. Maybe it's different in the UK, do they arrest you there? It's about not being selfish and helping contain or flatten the contagion. It's about thinking about others and not just yourself. > it's existing as a human being A selfish human being, yes.

300 days of restrictions.

If your country is less restrictive, I'm happy for you.

It's been illegal for me to have a friend over for 100 days.

It's illegal to have a picnic on a park bench.

So yeah, I'm not doing this any more. If you think that's selfish - cool, I'm selfish according to you. I'm not going to kill myself for your social credit score, stop trolling.

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