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I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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post #378

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You don’t have to murder anyone to fund a legal drug habit. Legal drug habits are easier to treat. Some might not even have a drug habit if not for illegal drugs laced with addictive substances they didn’t even know were there.

Oxycodone is legal [albeit controlled]. There are plenty of pill doctors that will prescribe oxycodone to anyone that doesn't look like too big of a mess. A cousin of mine stole oxycodone from my grandmother when she couldn't afford the ever increasing costs of her spiraling out of control oxycodone habit. People have murdered and gone bankrupt acquiring oxycodone, and continue to do so. [ https://www.pharmacytimes.c…

Oxycodone was the #1 recent example of patients and even doctors being lied to about the addictivene potential of the drug. For well over a decade, pharmaceutical marketers (from Purdue Pharma especially) straight up falsely claimed that habitual use of Oxycontin would not lead to opioid dependency.

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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Yes, it’s a myth that they are “instantly” addicting. I don’t deny the drug is powerful, but you have to want it. If it were true that it was instantly physically addictive, then literally every human being that has ever had any kind of surgery or been to the ER for trauma would be a rabid opioid zombie. But they aren’t.

They dont give heroin im ER.

Heroin metabolizes into morphine

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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The fascinating thing about this stuff is that you can have outlier people. For instance, tobacco is supposed to be highly addictive. Well, I picked up smoking from a girlfriend in college and we used to smoke all the time. Like ten cigs a day for a year and a half. Real bad, right? Well, one day, I decided "Meh. I'll just stop" and I did. Not because of any reason. I just chose not to. Now cigarettes are way addicti…

In the science of addiction what people have found is that if you change your environment you can literally get rid of any addiction. The studies from this are from Vietnam.

Experts were expecting an unprecedented heroin epidemic from veterans returning from the Vietnam war as drug use among soldiers was rampant. Turned out these soldiers came back and were no longer addicted. Scientists are guessing the causal factor for the loss of addiction was a "change in environment." It is literally the same thing that happened to the European person who replied to your post. Your brain hard wires dependencies to certain drugs but when you change your environment it may trigger something in your brain to actually unconsciously eliminate these dependencies. This makes evolutionary sense.

No doubt about it, people think that the above description means that the addiction is some sort of conscious decision. It is not the case. Addition is real, but the tricks to get out of addiction may be simpler then most people think.

So the question to ask is, when you quit tobacco, were you in the process of moving? Were there big changes going on in your life that would change the environment around you?

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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The fascinating thing about this stuff is that you can have outlier people. For instance, tobacco is supposed to be highly addictive. Well, I picked up smoking from a girlfriend in college and we used to smoke all the time. Like ten cigs a day for a year and a half. Real bad, right? Well, one day, I decided "Meh. I'll just stop" and I did. Not because of any reason. I just chose not to. Now cigarettes are way addicti…

Addiction is an incredibly fascinating endless hole to get into, including these outlier folks.

My wife for example has struggled to quit smoking for at least 10 years. As in very hardcore struggle.

When I was young my father managed to quit from a 3 pack a day habit to nothing cold turkey. But it was obviously pretty tough on him during the process and took a couple of years to really break out of.

My brother has a pretty bad pot addiction, a relatively harmless drug with almost no known chemical mechanism for addiction. Yet he can't shake it and it's haunted him his entire life.

I'm a bit like you w/r to tobacco. I occasionally smoke cigars and have played around with cigarettes from time to time. Once I lose interest I just stop and it's over. No urge or desire or anything else.

On the other hand, I have a bad day at work and all I want to do is shove shit food in my mouth.

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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You're an outlier. The vast majority of people who smoke opium or experience euphoria from taking medical grade heroin will obtain the urge to do it more.

As a physician: No, the 'vast majority' do not. I've supervised medical grade opioid administration to more than a few people, both acutely and chronically, and *folks without a pre-existing substance use problem* do not often develop one, especially if it's over the short term. The idea that "I give you an opioid and then BAM I want more!" is highly divergent from my clinical experience.

As a physician, you should know that using opioids to experience euphoria and pleasure is drastically different from using appropriate doses to combat the effects of pain. It's the euphoria and pleasure that triggers operant conditioning and the accumulation of ΔFosB that occurs in the vast majority of addictions[1]. Only after receptor downregulation does withdrawal avoidance become a factor, but once that occurs, it doubles the strength of the operant conditioning.

Use != Misuse, but use for pleasure is a direct precursor of misuse.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSB?wprov=sfla1

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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The argument the author is making is that addiction is an outlier. Many many many people drink, snort cocaine, smoke cigarettes and in the author's case, use heroin, and never develop addiction. I can understand why this infuriates people who've seen or known people who've died from an addiction but it's important for people to understand that alcohol, drugs, gambling, facebook, the internet, shopping, and everything…

You had me until your last sentence. There are people who are born with huge lung capacity, they are able to swim faster and longer than anyone else. We would never believe that it's emotional pain that is keeping everyone else from swimming as well. And people are born colorblind, they don't lose that ability because of emotional pain. Physics and our individual body chemistry at birth plays a deep role in our uniqu…

I think OP is saying that trauma leads to addiction, not necessarily the act itself; ie, shopping addicts are addicted to shopping because of past trauma not necessarily because of the act of shopping itself. As a prior nicotine addict I don't necessarily agree with this, as I have felt firsthand what the addictiveness nicotine feels like and I don't believe it's psychological (and, it seems like heroin may be similar)

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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I can see addiction like unpaid debt. Just like everyone may need a bank loan (which is totally socially acceptable), sometime you may need a happiness/energy/relief/whatever loan. The thing is, just like a money loan, you should be ready to pay your debt after. The day you think you can run away without paying, it's where the trouble begin. This is true even with alcohol: Go to a party, drink a few glasses. One or t…

I disagree with this view. I think the metaphor captures some elements of the experience, but it doesn't capture enough. A craving feeling arises to have fun. The craving exists there because it feels nice. This also implies that you feel less nice than you'd like to feel. This craving doesn't happen that often, but often enough that you're curious about taking drugs. You try cocaine. Suddenly you feel energized and…

The description of your craving process is both fascinating and horrifying. Well, mostly horrifying. Is there a scientific name for this very process?

I'm not a drug addict either, but I can relate with some of it about my cigarette smoking habit (it's actually an addiction, I know).

As for the metaphor, "every weekend" looks already like an enormous amount of debt to me.

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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This is dose-dependent. You're comparing alcohol abuse to heroine use . That's not a fair comparison. You should also examine the proportion of heroin "users" who become abusers. You should then do the same comparison for alcohol use. I'm willing to entertain the notion that the risks of heroin are overblown. I'm even willing to believe it. What seems entirely unsupported by evidence is the notion that alcohol and he…

Look at the data on those who have chronic pain: they are prescribed opiates at high dosages daily (equivalent to extreme abuse), and doctors think this is acceptable. Heroin is essentially just an opiate. They do not show effects as bad as life-long alcohol users, nor obviously abusers. A lot of socially acceptable alcohol use would be called abuse if society was fair about it.

>they are prescribed opiates at high dosages daily (equivalent to extreme abuse), and doctors think this is acceptable

That's an orthogonal concern. That being said, I don't understand your reasoning.

Firstly, this is opioid abuse. Granted, the responsibility for this abuse falls on the prescriber rather than the user, but it is nevertheless a pathological pattern of use.

Secondly, you've substituted "heroin" for "pharmaceutical-grade opiates" in your argument. The irony is that this supports my position more than yours because it demonstrates that the slope is particularly slippery, even with medical-grade opioids. This point bears repeating: the addictive and toxicological potential of opioid medicine is greater than alcohol. The trend is even less in your favor when we return to the topic at hand: heroin.

I share your concern about opioid-based medication, but this argues against your point.

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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The fascinating thing about this stuff is that you can have outlier people. For instance, tobacco is supposed to be highly addictive. Well, I picked up smoking from a girlfriend in college and we used to smoke all the time. Like ten cigs a day for a year and a half. Real bad, right? Well, one day, I decided "Meh. I'll just stop" and I did. Not because of any reason. I just chose not to. Now cigarettes are way addicti…

I don't know why you'd assume you're the outlier. Never mind the differences between physical and psychological dependence and problem use (which can happen without dependence, and one can be dependent but not using problematically), you personally experienced underwhelming withdrawal effects on multiple drugs that don't all affect the same parts of your brain, and some more physically addictive than others (benzos on top of that list). As for your friends, you know about their struggles because they had struggles in the first place. Just as the news doesn't report things when nothing bad happens, it's unlikely that, with the potential of stigmatization and jailtime, most people would volunteer something that caused them no issues but can only cause issues if they let it be known. If I were in your shoes I'd not assume that you and this guy happens to be the outliers, but rather, selection bias, the well-documented history of our drug laws being based on racial panics (Chinese for opiates, cocaine for African-Americans, marijuana for Mexicans, the crack sentencing disparity, et cetera) that happens to fund a lot of the economy via the prison-industrial complex, it's not much of a leap to think that a great deal of the harm linked to drug use is linked really to the various behavior undertaken to hide from detection and not necessarily from the drugs themselves, most of which - diamorphine included - are classified as having some medical use somewhere, although for whatever reason MDMA and marijuana are classified as having none. I think it's not hard to buy into the idea that problematic use is not the outlier because that's been taught to us for decades. But if your personal experience doesn't indicate that, why jump directly to thinking that you're the odd man out?

Re: I am a heroin user. I do not have a drug problem

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So many comments in this thread are misconstruing Hart's arguments. He's not being open about his drug use in order to encourage everyone else to start using opiates and amphetamines willy-nilly. We can't just keep applying the same Reagan-era drug prohibition policies and expect anything to change. People are never going to stop using these drugs, so we should take steps to make their use safer. Thanks to widespread…

> He's not being open about his drug use in order to encourage everyone else to start using opiates and amphetamines willy-nilly.

It doesn't matter if that's why he's doing it - that's still the effect.

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