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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by Pfhreak »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

I'm considering a cabin deep in the mountains. What should I be aware of when it comes to limitations of Starlink? For a cabin that is likely to be off grid, where I'd like to have relatively stable, relatively usable internet, what should I expect?

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by lazide »

shaklee3 wrote: post #413
lazide wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hughesnet and other geostationary providers have 400+ Latency that are rather terrible.

Again, OP was talking about speeds, not latency. Nobody is going to refute geo has higher latency than Leo.

400+ms pings make the connection useless for anything resembling interactive use, which is pertinent.

If my internet provider had 100mbs symmetric but I got that kind of ping I wouldn't even consider it a functioning internet connection, let alone 100 mbs, even if in some theoretical tuned workload I could actually move data that fast (UUCP with tuned TCP window sizes? UDP with some sort of custom packet loss recovery algo?)

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by doctor_sleep »

voldacar wrote: post #134
walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

What is the total power consumption of the system when in use? How often do packets get dropped? Have you given it a try with quake or counterstrike?

Check out Linus Tech Tips for a review of gaming on star link: https://youtu.be/Fh1a2K9ZgNA

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by wmf »

sschueller wrote: post #328
whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

So whom ever gets there first makes the rules? However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane. There is no way humans, other then maybe a few austranouts will make it to mars in the next 20 years by which this service will be obsolete or no longer exist. Edit: If HN is still around in 20 years I will be asking you to reconsider your down votes.

It's basically a joke because the Outer Space Treaty has already defined rules for planetary colonization and they don't allow Mars to be a "free planet".

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by koheripbal »

RapidFire wrote: post #336
whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

History tells us it is far better to let Martians govern themselves. The colonies would eventually rebel regardless; might as well embrace it and let them dictate their own laws. That being said. Guns on mars! GUNS ON MARS!!! They have a rIGHt to hunt space deer!

Guns don't kill people. Holes in domes kill people.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by shaklee3 »

lazide wrote: post #472
shaklee3 wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, OP was talking about speeds, not latency. Nobody is going to refute geo has higher latency than Leo.

400+ms pings make the connection useless for anything resembling interactive use, which is pertinent. If my internet provider had 100mbs symmetric but I got that kind of ping I wouldn't even consider it a functioning internet connection, let alone 100 mbs, even if in some theoretical tuned workload I could actually move data that fast (UUCP with tuned TCP window sizes? UDP with some sort of custom packet loss recover…

I'm not sure why you keep going down this rabbit hole, but OP was talking about bandwidth, not latency. Bandwidth on current generation satellites is just as high, or higher than Starlink. Satellite does not use TCP over the air. They have technologies for higher-latency links that make latency appear lower by controlling the window at the gateway side.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by koheripbal »

ncallaway wrote: post #433
RapidFire wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History tells us it is far better to let Martians govern themselves. The colonies would eventually rebel regardless; might as well embrace it and let them dictate their own laws. That being said. Guns on mars! GUNS ON MARS!!! They have a rIGHt to hunt space deer!

I agree that any Mars colony should very quickly become independent. However, I think we should wait until there are enough people on Mars that there can be a small representative government (or other form of government that they would choose). Mars shouldn't be independent when the first 10 people land on the surface of the planet. This tos item has always been my biggest complaint about Starlink. I shouldn't be for…

This is someone semantics anyway since there will be no enforcement mechanism in the beginning from Earth to Mars. People on Mars will just do whatever they want.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by koheripbal »

wmf wrote: post #474
sschueller wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So whom ever gets there first makes the rules? However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane. There is no way humans, other then maybe a few austranouts will make it to mars in the next 20 years by which this service will be obsolete or no longer exist. Edit: If HN is still around in 20 years I will be asking you to reconsider your down votes.

It's basically a joke because the Outer Space Treaty has already defined rules for planetary colonization and they don't allow Mars to be a "free planet".

That treaty in and of itself is basically a joke because laws only apply to places you have force to enforce them.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by aquark »

Pfhreak wrote: post #471
walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

I'm considering a cabin deep in the mountains. What should I be aware of when it comes to limitations of Starlink? For a cabin that is likely to be off grid, where I'd like to have relatively stable, relatively usable internet, what should I expect?

The dish currently draws around 100W steady state. For many off grid installations this can be a significant addition to the power budget.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by bougiefever »

josu wrote: post #329
walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

> really hard to reach places in the developing world Like North Hollywood, CA. https://abc7.com/att-internet-fiber-man-takes-out-wall-stree...

Or rural Wisconsin
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