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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by lazide »

shaklee3 wrote: post #214
wraptile wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? I'm not from US but I googled around and Viasat offer 30/3 mbps with a soft speed cap after 100GB for 150usd/month [1] Hughes offers 25/3 mbps priced per data cap 50GB is 140 usd + equipment lease of 15usd /month.[2] Neither of which is even remotely close to Starlink's offering. 1 - https://promo.viasat.com/plans/standard-30-715T5-11796UC.htm... 2 - https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started

OP said "where people couldn't get more than 10/2 or so for any price." Your response directly refutes that, so I don't know why you are asking for a source. I didn't say either of those are competitive with a non-existent service offering from starlink. Wait until they have a real service that is oversubscribed, then we can discuss what plans they'll offer.

Hughesnet and other geostationary providers have 400+ Latency that are rather terrible.

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Post by fulafel »

MinorTom wrote: post #260
disiplus wrote: post #250

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> Having an assigned routable address is not a thing in many countries citation needed

> increasingly uses CGN technologies (90% for mobile internet and 50% for fixed line) https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/are-you-sharing-...

IME operators startefto do CGN for legacy IPv4 when they started offering v6 by default to mobile & consumer fixed lines.

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Post by IntelMiner »

guywhocodes wrote: post #150
Jedd wrote: post #108

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I expect a fair bit of interest from latency-sensitive markets (eg finance) here in Australia. A few years ago when I was in the WAN optimisation space, IIRC Sydney/Singapore latency was ~150ms, partly raw distance, partly because the route was physically quite convoluted. There's some expectation that once Starlink's mesh comms ramp up, it'll be significantly faster to go up to a bird, across through one or more at…

Australia min latency from Singapore is still 125ms for me. Maybe it's lack of peering from my providers side but it's definitely an issue.

I get 75~ ms average on Aussie Broadband from Adelaide (FTTP) pinging Valve's Singapore game servers

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Post by martin8412 »

unionpivo wrote: post #257
starpilot wrote: post #131

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Musk said that Starlink won't work in dense areas. This is a broader business question, but do you think there are there enough remote villagers and oil rig workers that can subscribe and eventually give Musk enough money to fund a trip to Mars? He has said that is the endgame for creating Starlink.

yes, if you look globally. Just usa ? Not sure. But i think that they would have to become ISP and comply with local law with most jurisdictions if they want to have local ground stations. Not sure how that will go.

Who do you imagine will buy it on a global scale? Rural NA areas, rural Australian areas and a few places in Europe. At the price point offered it is insanely expensive unless your only other option is satelite or a very crappy DSL.

Maybe a few people in Asia, Africa, South America can afford it, but it is very few, and in the places where people can they are likely to already have better service.

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Post by rcxdude »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #274
stjohnswarts wrote: post #224

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I'm sure very soon you'll be able to pay a premium to use any cell.

There are almost certainly always going to be restrictions, because the bandwidth density on the ground is going to be limited. For example, a lot of recreational boaters are likely to get a terminal, which will work well over the open ocean. However, when all of those boaters tie their boat at the LA marina, there is absolutely no hope that the system can provide anything even approximating good service to them. So…

Exactly. I know Iridium has this problem, e.g. it's very popular to use their satellite modems to track cargo containers while they're being shipped: when a big container ship pulls into port and they all wake up and report their position at once, the network suffers a fair amount (and this is with far lower bandwidth).

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Post by richrichardsson »

herpderperator wrote: post #280
richrichardsson wrote: post #271

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> this is pretty easily found on the site Is it though? Perhaps it's because it's not available in Croatia, but there is nothing on the front page that mentions price, and it's not in the FAQ either.

In my experience, if you enter the desired service address it is the very next thing that's displayed.

Ah, that explains it, the button says "Order Now", which scared me off as I wasn't interested in actually ordering but was curious about the price.

I really dislike this kind of (almost dark) pattern. TIDAL also is not showing you the cost until you start down the sign up process, it's quite frustrating if what you really want to do is compare service costs.

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Post by unionpivo »

martin8412 wrote: post #324
unionpivo wrote: post #257

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yes, if you look globally. Just usa ? Not sure. But i think that they would have to become ISP and comply with local law with most jurisdictions if they want to have local ground stations. Not sure how that will go.

Who do you imagine will buy it on a global scale? Rural NA areas, rural Australian areas and a few places in Europe. At the price point offered it is insanely expensive unless your only other option is satelite or a very crappy DSL. Maybe a few people in Asia, Africa, South America can afford it, but it is very few, and in the places where people can they are likely to already have better service.

I mean, you can get several houses together.

If you split between 5 houses, you still get decent bandwidth (you wont be watching 4k, but then again if you can afford 4k screens ...), and the price is 100 USD + 20 per month.

If you don't have any other option this might be decent alternative

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Post by sschueller »

whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

So whom ever gets there first makes the rules?

However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane. There is no way humans, other then maybe a few austranouts will make it to mars in the next 20 years by which this service will be obsolete or no longer exist.

Edit: If HN is still around in 20 years I will be asking you to reconsider your down votes.

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Post by josu »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

> really hard to reach places in the developing world

Like North Hollywood, CA.

https://abc7.com/att-internet-fiber-man-takes-out-wall-stree...

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Post by robertlagrant »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #226
arcticbull wrote: post #199

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I suspect Australian FinTech would be more interested in colocating near exchanges instead of trying to beam their orders through space, but I don't work in the sector so I can't say for sure.

Totally different use cases. If you want to observe events at one exchange and send orders to another, all that matters is total latency. For that use it doesn't matter whether your servers are in the same room as one of the exchanges or 200 miles away from either one.

It's true that total latency is what matters, and minimising latency by sitting near one of them and taking advantage of low-latency connections between exchanges sounds reasonable.
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