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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by cozzyd »

zacharycohn wrote: post #151
kube-system wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who don't live adjacent to a public thoroughfare are sometimes quoted 5 or 6 digit installation costs for cable. https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1607004-charter-cost-... https://www.reddit.com/r/Comcast/comments/9ytg25/comcast_wan... https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9512648-TWC-TWC-wants-want... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/want-... This is for those people.

Hi! I live on a major arterial in a major US city. We have buried utilities to my house, and my house was never wired for anything faster than what you can get on a phone line. Even though all six of my property-line adjacent neighbors (whose houses are in stone-throwing distance) have gigabit connections. After 9 months and a call to the City Council, I finally got a quote from Comcast: $37,000 for copper. They laug…

Just run ethernet to a neighbor?

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Post by thejosh »

guywhocodes wrote: post #150
Jedd wrote: post #108

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I expect a fair bit of interest from latency-sensitive markets (eg finance) here in Australia. A few years ago when I was in the WAN optimisation space, IIRC Sydney/Singapore latency was ~150ms, partly raw distance, partly because the route was physically quite convoluted. There's some expectation that once Starlink's mesh comms ramp up, it'll be significantly faster to go up to a bird, across through one or more at…

Australia min latency from Singapore is still 125ms for me. Maybe it's lack of peering from my providers side but it's definitely an issue.

It's ~50 from perth though.

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Post by Robotbeat »

walrus01 wrote: post #110
Jedd wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect a fair bit of interest from latency-sensitive markets (eg finance) here in Australia. A few years ago when I was in the WAN optimisation space, IIRC Sydney/Singapore latency was ~150ms, partly raw distance, partly because the route was physically quite convoluted. There's some expectation that once Starlink's mesh comms ramp up, it'll be significantly faster to go up to a bird, across through one or more at…

in terms of raw capacity, I do not think that the intersatellite laser links (if/when they do get that working, which is a long ways off, 10 out of the 1050+ satellites right now have them, and none in production use), will approach anywhere near the capacity of a 40 or 80 channel, coherent 100/200/400GbE DWDM submarine line terminal. it's a whole other order of magnitudes.

It's not exactly a long ways off if a dozen satellites are already using it (there were 2 previous ones).

Every time SpaceX makes a goal, someone claims it's really far away until it is completed.

If there was a need for Terabit/s laser capacity for Starlink, there's no particularly good reason it couldn't be developed.

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Post by shaklee3 »

walrus01 wrote: post #97
colordrops wrote: post #90

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I regularly get 12ms latency to google over my DOCSIS3 cable coax connection.

This will vary greatly depending on how loaded your particular cablemodem segment is, how the channel bonding is set up, how enthusiastic your neighbors are about downloading things like 65GB torrents of 2160p60 movies. If there is an 8.8.8.8 anycast node somewhere in your city, and you are kinda close to downtown, less than 1.5ms of that could be the fiber path from your ISP to their peering with google and back, an…

It will also vary greatly once starlink is loaded. The variation you're seeing is purely due to slant range. Those numbers will increase once the satellites are oversubscribed.

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Post by plugger »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

> My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services.

I think the key word here is properly. I put my pre-order in Feb 9th and I'm in the Perth hills in Western Australia. My wired link is ~35Mb down and ~11Mb up. Whilst StarLink will be more expensive I'm expecting a tripling of download speeds and a doubling of upload speeds for less than double the price. That math works for me, especially when you consider my link is as fast as it can go (I pay for a 50/25 service) due to my last hop being a twisted pair cable that was run half a century ago.

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Post by shaklee3 »

geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

That's not true. Viasat and hughes cover everywy in the USA with speeds faster than that.

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Post by arcticbull »

cromka wrote: post #158
walrus01 wrote: post #133

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A lot of serious HFT has moved to HF radio bands with giant aimed yagi uda or dipole antennas, already... London, new york, chicago, tokyo. It's very low bit rate but lower latency.

So Australian FinTech will definitely appreciate Starlink, then?

I suspect Australian FinTech would be more interested in colocating near exchanges instead of trying to beam their orders through space, but I don't work in the sector so I can't say for sure.

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Post by shaklee3 »

samstave wrote: post #20
geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

Quite the opposite. VCs are subsidizing those $500 terminals that really cost $1000+.
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