If you cannot run what you want on the device, do you really own it?
If you cannot buy it because miners have purchased all the stock, do you really own it?
No, you never bought it to begin with. Can't own what you never paid for obviously.
Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
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Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#142Will this work?
One "excuse" miner had for buying GPUs was that they could sell them 6-12 months to gamers.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#143It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to reverse-engineer the drivers and remove the slowdown code.
I use CUDA for scientific calculations and I wonder how this will affect GPU performance since any detection algorithm may have fault positives. The only problem with such artificial limitation is that usually people who mine crypto are very inventive (if you have doubts about that just check laptop mining farms [1]), since they try to squeeze out as many H/s as possible. It is just a matter of time when the 'right'…
> since any detection algorithm may have fault positives
Though not impossible, NVIDIA has been doing application detection for ages for the purpose of tuning the performance of the latest popular games. So as long as your scientific calculations don't calculate too much Keccak-256 hashes, they should probably be fine.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#144It's a real shame that companies think that they should be the ones dictating how you use a piece of hardware you bought from them. It's a further shame that they would artificially hinder their hardware for such purposes. I will avoid nvidia in the future as a result of this sort of attitude, and I don't even mine cryptocurrency. I have no dog in this race other than a philosophical one.
it is annoying they limit their drivers this way but ultimately this is in response to their core customers' frustrations. Nvidia is trying to segment their products so that the video game market can get their cards without dealing with the boom and bust cycle of cryptomining. I somehow doubt these drivers will be enough to stop it, however.
Gimp the memory bandwidth, that'll do it.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
They do. The 5700XT is still an excellent card, the 6700 and 6700XT are coming out soon, and the 6800 and 6800XT are both absolutely killer cards as well, especially at the reference prices. Vendors and demand have effectively driven prices to an insane amount, and you just can't get them, unfortunately. Short of AMD doing something like Nvidia is doing here, I doubt we'll see them on store shelves any time soon.
Except you won't be able to buy any of them, even when they are released.
You might not like the price, but the 6800/6900 ones tend to stay in stock these days in at least some parts of the world [0][1]
[0] https://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeo... [1] https://www.alternate.de/Grafikkarten/Big-Navi
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it is not physically possible, this decision makes a lot of sense. Due to the global semiconductor shortage it simply is not possible to build more on the scale customers would like to.
The instrument to regulate that is called the price. You increase the price until there is a steady supply. That would help funding new fabs and in the long run increase the supply so that it could be available for a broader range of consumers. The way they do it is not sustainable. They will not generate enough money to pay for new manufacturing plants this way.
And crypto demand can evaporate tomorrow, as it has in the past and leave those plants unprofitable.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Also, my concern is not for data centers running creepy ML models that invade users' privacy, but for the average home user who wants to get started with ML and at the same time get decent frame rates when they play a game.
>I understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. My argument is they should and could have scaled up the production rather than just shuffling around which group they hurt or help at the expense of which other (be it miners, ML folks or gamers). This isn't the 'right thing', it just helps the group you prefer on this round.
You do understand Nvidia is a fabless company, correct? Scaling up demand isn't just calling up some factory manager and telling them to work harder, it's getting into a massive cagefight with AMD, Apple, and every other company out there that needs silicon all for the amusement of Samsung/TSMC
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#148Great, another company that is dictating what software I am running on the computer I own. I’ve never mined Ethereum, but this really upsets me.
With their proprietary drivers and their separate Quadro cards (which are identical hardware but running different drivers), NVIDIA has already been dictating what you are running for ages.
This is not the start of NVIDIA dictating what you are running, just a new symptom of it.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#149If NVIDIA feels the need to gimp the upcoming RTX 3060, that suggests that the new CMP cards will not be attractive enough to compete on their own price/merit, or that they will be similarly supply constrained. That said, I'm curious to see how they perform for machine learning.
Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
#150I hate that I wasn't able to get a 30x series because miners grabbed them. I hate that my preorder was canceled by the supplier on the day it was supposed to ship, just because a farm had a better price. But guess what Nvidia? I no longer want your products. As much as I may dislike the fact crypto is affecting gaming (rendering, machine learning...) I can't help but ask: Who in the holy F are you to tell me what to…
It's probably not even necessary. They're also introducing a card that removes everything not needed for mining. Unless they're overpricing that card, it will be more cost-effective for miners and outcompete the gamer cards.