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Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by NKosmatos »

lrossi wrote: post #51

Great, another company that is dictating what software I am running on the computer I own. I’ve never mined Ethereum, but this really upsets me.

I agree, when you buy the hardware you should be able to do what you please with it. This applies for something you already own and use.

Imagine a new driver, for hardware you already own where you couldn't watch cat videos (extreme example) in 4K but only in 360p :-)

On the other hand if you're well informed before buying such a card, that it will have reduced performance for crypto (or whatever) I guess it's ok and you can select something else.

We have to be realistic here and understand that on one hand NVIDIA hates miners since they're creating a shortage of cards for gamers but on the other hand they're the ones buying all new cards straight away for mining.

I think this is a marketing trick so that both gamers and miners are happy, RTX line for gamers and CMP line for miners, win-win for NVIDIA :-)

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by Tenoke »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #72

In Germany, NVIDIA quotes 519 € as the starting price for the RTX 3070 series. Unfortunately, the cards are sold out almost everywhere and the few sites that accept back-orders list them for almost 1.000 € now, which is crazy. So Kudos to them for doing this, as the crypto craze seems to heat up there's no end in sight for miners buying up GPUs and NVIDIA risks angering a lot of regular people that weren't able to bu…

> So Kudos to them for doing this

I'd rather they have scaled up the demand. They've had years of this to take the higher profits and invest them. Even if people don't use them for mining, the demand for Machine Learning is there - instead GeForce cards have been banned for use in data centers for years. Not to mention that the crippling of 3060 would be trivial for mining operations to get around.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by COGlory »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #43
cybrexalpha wrote: post #9

Have nvidia lost their minds? It's going to take days for mining operations to reverse-engineer the driver and undo this. So commercial operations won't be affected at all. Worse, their detection isn't going to be 100% perfect. What if After Effects does something that looks "kind of" like mining. Is it just going to be crippled? What will nvidia do then? Suggest I buy a Quadro for AE support? This will only penalise…

Yeah, this is about par for the course for Nvidia. I wish AMD had a working product to kick their teeth in...

They do. The 5700XT is still an excellent card, the 6700 and 6700XT are coming out soon, and the 6800 and 6800XT are both absolutely killer cards as well, especially at the reference prices.

Vendors and demand have effectively driven prices to an insane amount, and you just can't get them, unfortunately. Short of AMD doing something like Nvidia is doing here, I doubt we'll see them on store shelves any time soon.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by notum »

thefz wrote: post #68
notum wrote: post #37

I hate that I wasn't able to get a 30x series because miners grabbed them. I hate that my preorder was canceled by the supplier on the day it was supposed to ship, just because a farm had a better price. But guess what Nvidia? I no longer want your products. As much as I may dislike the fact crypto is affecting gaming (rendering, machine learning...) I can't help but ask: Who in the holy F are you to tell me what to…

> Who in the holy F are you to tell me what to do with my product? It is the same with hardware video encode, RTX cards are locked up to 2x streams at maximum while they are in most cases capable of many, many more (i.e. Plex transcodes). Not that this is an issue though, since it's a driver lock with a working fix.

Christ I had no idea. I beg to differ, it's a HUGE issue.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by Jonnax »

cybrexalpha wrote: post #9

Have nvidia lost their minds? It's going to take days for mining operations to reverse-engineer the driver and undo this. So commercial operations won't be affected at all. Worse, their detection isn't going to be 100% perfect. What if After Effects does something that looks "kind of" like mining. Is it just going to be crippled? What will nvidia do then? Suggest I buy a Quadro for AE support? This will only penalise…

I'm guessing their 3060 product is their budget card so it's easier for them to limit performance on that.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by bryanlarsen »

varispeed wrote: post #81
bryanlarsen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you cannot buy it because miners have purchased all the stock, do you really own it?

Not sure how this is relevant. Company should look how to increase the supply instead of artificially crippling the product to squeeze more money.

By crippling the product for miners, they're increasing the supply for gamers.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by kmeisthax »

Nvidia uses boot-chain security to prohibit third-party drivers from using their GPUs - if you don't use Nvidia's own power-management blob, the card will lock itself to the lowest thermal bucket and highest fan speed until you reset it. It's arguably why they're able to segment their GPUs by application so effectively.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by dekken_ »

rrss wrote: post #67
dekken_ wrote: post #29

This should be illegal

A product performs worse at some stuff than it might have in a hypothetical reality, and it says so on the box. What should be illegal about this, and why?

I suppose I'm free to not buy it.

As for a reason, why should they be able to dictate what the hardware they release is used for?

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Post by throwaway2a02 »

tmaly wrote: post #47

Why not just make a massively parallel ASIC and make the price competitive to the RTX 3060? This would be better than crippling the product via software drivers.

My understanding is that the ETH and other algorithms designed to be run on GPUs have big memory and memory bandwidth requirements, which is what makes it more difficult (or less cost effective?) to implement on an ASIC.

LE. I see you meant NVidia should be making the ASICs. In that case, that's exactly what they're doing, isn't it? This CMP line is exactly that.

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