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Post by krageon »

thu2111 wrote: post #559
nomdep wrote: post #455

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I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very…

I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll start with the broad strokes: You've underestimated the difficulty of creative work (or what is traditionally seen as creative) and overestimated the difficulty of "tech" (which I would argue is also a creative field). If anything, tech is ridiculously easy to get into even if you are patently and demonstrably unskilled. The same is simply not true for other creative work (at least not if it has to pay the bills).

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Post by circlefavshape »

thu2111 wrote: post #559
nomdep wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very…

> music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts.

Oh please. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I can't speak to acting, but it takes far more than 5 years of study to become a professional dancer or musician

(oh and FWIW I've been a professional software dev for 25 years, having lucked into it just by being a nerdy guy in the right place at the right time)

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Post by circlefavshape »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #145
shakow wrote: post #73

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> The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped I don't think so. What they need the most is publicity, and this is not magically granted by internet. Just take a look at e.g. Spotify; I'm sure there are hundreds of extremely gifted artists sitting down at barely a few dozens listenings, just because no one found them.

Spotify charges $1/song/month as a listing fee. I bet a majority of Spotify artists pay more to Spotify than they receive.

I don't know where you heard this, but it's incorrect. I have lots of music on Spotify, and pay no listing fees

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Post by mckirk »

coldtea wrote: post #551
cbozeman wrote: post #535

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Go on... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://www.newsweek.com/silicon-valley-uncovered-brotopia-l...

If we already had a GPT-deepfake interface I would now ask it to generate a costumed Elon Musk confusedly 'John Travolta'ing (the Pulp Fiction meme) in the middle of a SciFi sex party.

In a year or two, perhaps.

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Post by foldr »

foldr wrote: post #562
thu2111 wrote: post #561

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That happens at any company that's sufficiently devoted to SJW principles. Though it's usually about women rather than gays as obviously the question of orientation can't usually be brought up at interview time. I thought everyone working in tech knew this happened. If you doubt it, a simple check of the Tumblr jobs page should make their policy clear: https://www.tumblr.com/jobs "Now, billions of posts later, we con…

I'm aware that a lot of people think that "SJWs" have taken over tech companies and are forcing them to hire certain groups of people. I was sort of banking on the OP not being one of these people and getting a different kind of answer. I doubt we can have a productive discussion of what you've posted that won't descend into a flame war that's been had a thousand times before. The phrase 'diversity hire' is usually u…

*pejoritatively ha - I thought I'd caught that in an edit.

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Post by watwut »

hammock wrote: post #520
technick wrote: post #438

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I used to cover (photography) the BET music awards for a newspaper between 2006-2009. I saw the same things, in dressing rooms, green rooms and after parties. Someone controlled the female artists, who they can talk with, who could take pictures of them, etc. It made my job hard and sometimes impossible.

Why is it different for female artists than male artists? Could it also have some protective aspect?

> Could it also have some protective aspect?

No, if you are trying to actually protecting someone, you don't end up isolating them nor controlling who they can talk to. Protection would be that the artist decides who she/he talks to and you enforce that. If you make those decisions and expect artist to comply, it is not protection anymore.

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Post by watwut »

GuB-42 wrote: post #413
enriquto wrote: post #252

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> Look at all these vile people applauding this villain Acknowledging the artistic talent of a villain does not make you vile. Not at all. Imagine a clearer example. Imagine that somebody is on a life sentence convicted of a murder that they have commited. Do you think that this person has the right to write a book? Can this book be sent for participation at a literary contest? Can it win? Does the jury that gives th…

If the book is really good, I'd say the villain should be applauded. I would applaud Hitler and recommend Mein Kampf to everyone if it was good (it is not). It doesn't excuse the murder, but I think talent should be rewarded, doubly so if the person is a villain. The problem with most criminals is that we can't think of them as other than criminals, and it is a vicious circle because it drags people deeper in the wor…

> I think talent should be rewarded, doubly so if the person is a villain

Why doubly so, it is literally rewarding the bad behavior? A person that does not abuse people should be rewarded as much as those who do abuse them. And it seem to me that current culture or at least culture last twenty years was rewarding abusers more then non-abusers or their victims. And it just leads to more abuse.

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Post by 5560675260 »

foldr wrote: post #558
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

>Tumblr had a lot of LGBTQ "diversity hires" Out of curiosity, what is your basis for thinking that they were hired only for being LGBTQ? As a gay man I wonder how I can avoid my colleagues thinking this. (It sounds like it's not just the gay folks who were engaged in inappropriately sexual behavior, so it can't be that.)

> As a gay man I wonder how I can avoid my colleagues thinking this.

Diversity hiring has the same vibe as nepotism. Sometimes you look at someone's output (or even job description) and can't help but think that this guy wouldn't have a job here if he wasn't someone's nephew. Unless this is something that can be said about you (with "gay" replacing "nephew") you have nothing to fear.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

willcipriano wrote: post #318
ohashi wrote: post #295

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He still raped a 13 year old. Why is anyone trying to defend or excuse his behavior? I don't care if Jesus came back from the dead and forgave him, it's still not OK.

May I also add it's very common for victims of this type of abuse to make statements like that, particularly if they are abused as children. A sort of Stockholm syndrome takes hold and they begin to empathize with their rapist and feel bad that they face punishment for their crimes. Don't take that statement as a report on his innocence but rather a compliment to his well practiced grooming skills, if anything its ev…

I urge you to read her own remarks. She does not sympathize with Polanski, and she would not feel bad about whatever he experiences. But she finds it an act of violence against her, an opening of the wound afresh, when third parties opine on the case.

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Post by Chris2048 »

abhinav22 wrote: post #530
Chris2048 wrote: post #507

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Report it for what, having an opinion you don't like?

For saying it’s okay for pedofiles to be recognized for their other work There is disagreement on opinions and there is outright immorality.

No, there isn't. What is and isn't immoral is subjective, hence open to opinion.

The best basis for "outright immoral" is universal agreement - I don't know that there is on this topic. Recognition of a work isn't the same as praise of the individual - good work can come from bad people. And in the case of a work like a film, there are multiple stakeholders.

I'd also like to note that "paedophile" in this case is probably being used to mean "child molester", i.e someone who has committed a crime.

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