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Post by teraku »

agumonkey wrote: post #148
shakow wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped I don't think so. What they need the most is publicity, and this is not magically granted by internet. Just take a look at e.g. Spotify; I'm sure there are hundreds of extremely gifted artists sitting down at barely a few dozens listenings, just because no one found them.

But it's interesting. Do we like artists due to marketing only ? Or seducing feature over artistic quality. A small but gifted artist on Spotify could, in theory (in theory), generate word of mouth at quickly get known. Sometimes I believe that labels were filters for that. They could see who was just very good and who had some 'it factor'.

In German we distinguish between 'Interpret' (the one interpreting or performing an art) and the 'Künstler' (artist). I think this explains it very well: Most of the popular 'Interpreten' are not famous for their exquisite music, but for who they are, as a brand, and how they perform in public and on stage.

The movie Yesterday is such a farce because it suggest The Beatles songs are super successful no matter who performs them, as long as they are the first to perform them. When effectively it was a mix of having skilled musicians, produce and perform good songs on the one hand, but also who they were, the marketing and their performances on the other hand.

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Post by known »

lostgame wrote: post #153
known wrote: post #141

It's there in IT industry also; Girls silently suffer / quit jobs :(

While it is there, being female and in both industries myself I have to say that it's like comparing a cup of water to a bucket in terms of the sheer amount of sexual abuse that goes on in the music industry. And I say that as a victim of IT workplace sexual assault, and I unfortunately did exactly as you posted. :( The music industry is harrowing. It's not to discount the very real trauma myself and others have gone…

Yesterday a Court in India gave a landmark Judgement to protect dignity of women;

https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/delhi-court-acqu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priya_Ramani

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Post by jariel »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

Lost in this comment is how brutally inappropriate that Tumblr office would have been to work in - and beyond illegal in so many ways but it's just all cool because it's LGBTQ? I thought they were suppose to be 'just like us' and that 'transitioning pantihose urine fetish' would a gross, charicatured misrepresentation?

YouPorn you'll find is completely not like that, super professional to the point wherein the 'content' would effectively be mundane. Maybe in some ways more like a bank actually.

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Post by johnchristopher »

adamisom wrote: post #45
johnchristopher wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. What's the name for this kind of arguments? Also, why specifically Bezos? Why not the billionaire next door? Also, why only the HN crowd? Wouldn't a lot of people too? Do you have a beef with the HN crowd or Bezos?

I perceive your parent comment to be straightforward and not sinister in the least. Why not Bezos (the billionaire who most easily comes to mind), why not HN (the website we're on )? Seriously, what's with the weird angry insinuating questions.

> I perceive your parent comment to be straightforward and not sinister in the least.

I'll be straightforward too: it's shitposting with childish faux-provocation that doesn't bring any food for thought, littered with assumptions about everyone and presented as universal. Fool language doesn't help either, it's not straightforward it's provocation without substance . r/im14andthisisdeep is the other way.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by jariel »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #12

It's hard to imagine this is only the music industry. Human use sex as a weapon and a tool all the time. True, it might be more useful in the music industry but why would sex as currency only exist there? Where there are humans, there is sex. The obviousness of how that plays out may differ but the underlying theme is universal.

Different industries have different structures and different cultures.

This is an entertainment thing and as noted by other commenters has to do with the very aspirational aspects of the positions, along with a total commodity of folks wanting the work. And, an open attitude towards sex. Not a lot of institutionalized systems. Hollywood is not mostly corporate style jobs, on the creative side. With HR departments.

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Post by wiz21c »

zajio1am wrote: post #160
wiz21c wrote: post #123

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ain't sure what you mean by acceptable. All of this discussion comes to one question : do you have a choice or not. You have a choice to run a start up and make any sacrifice you think necessary. You don't have a choice to eat something when you're hungry. If you don't have a choice, then you're a victim. (and yes, not everyone has a choice, not everyone just has to work more to get the choice, many people, at some p…

It is not that you have only two options: 1) Get $100M and anal sex from Bezos 2) Be hungry You can take third option, do not take Bezos's offer, do not make startup and instead do same basic work. So in this case you have choice.

yep

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Post by tomcam »

anonAndOn wrote: post #512
tomcam wrote: post #495

In my younger, prettier days I used to work in West Los Angeles, took acting classes, etc. It is pretty clear to me that something like a majority of the people you see onscreen, both male and female, were required to perform acts on Harvey Weinsteinesque characters to get the roles they had. If you think you only have to do that once or twice, remember that you can audition every day for months or even years without…

It's not just in front of the camera. A good looking relative of mine was told that if he wanted to keep working on set for the television network he would have to regularly sleep with a female producer.

Crap, I did not know that

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Post by redis_mlc »

bluGill wrote: post #349
moduspol wrote: post #102

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It also helps a lot when the quality of the work performed by the person is subjective and overall success is largely dependent on the work of others (writers, musicians, tour directors, sound editors, etc.). It'd be a lot tougher to be successful as an electrician or commercial airline pilot if you got there from sexual favors for your boss.

> It'd be a lot tougher to be successful as an electrician or commercial airline pilot if you got there from sexual favors for your boss. That isn't true, but the reasons are different for each. For electrician getting your foot in the door is the hard part, from there on it is about on the job training. Getting the first apprentice position is one of the harder steps to success, and sexual favors can work here. Thou…

It's common for instructors and student pilots to date, but the scenario you described would be very rare in the US because nearly always flight school administration handles billing, and ratings are from the FAA, DPE's or Part 141 flight school examiners, who usually don't do individual instruction for initial ratings.

So the instructor would have to be an owner/instructor/examiner, which is rare.

Same with getting a pilot job more or less.

Hollywood is really in a different category.

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Post by alexizorba »

snarfy wrote: post #385
yardie wrote: post #84

> the Mafia is very much a part of the music industry, I'm not too familiar with the pop side of the music industry. I dipped my toe into the Rap/R&B side of the business building websites for new artists. There were literal gangsters in the recording studios sitting across from me drinking and smoking and they made plans for every aspect of these young girls lives: what and when they could eat, who they could see, w…

I worked for a startup that contracted with the major record labels at the time, with a lot of the funding coming from the record labels. One day a group of four men arrived at the office. They were investors and not too happy with how the stock had been performing. This was a time before naked shorting was illegal. They all wore suits and one of the men carried a baseball bat into the office. They all had stereotypi…

is this something common? i mean, beating ceos for not-going-well-stocks?

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Post by coldtea »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

Seniority doesn't cut into it, it must also be the right person sending the right signals (and often sharding some backstories).

They'll seldom if ever make the mistake of inviting a clean cut / square type of person.

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