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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by cgriswald »

jedimastert wrote: post #29
samstave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

> And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? What's the difference between this and any other ISP?

It’s in the US but can have non-US customers, a potential one of which I presume is the GP.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by Sevii »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #4

100$ a month. Plus a 600$ fee to buy the hardware. i think they said 50mbps - 150mpbs It's a little on the pricey side but at least, as far I know, it's not comcast or at&t.

I pay 70/month (introductory pricing) for 100mpbs, not that big of a difference and that is with a data cap.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by kube-system »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #4

100$ a month. Plus a 600$ fee to buy the hardware. i think they said 50mbps - 150mpbs It's a little on the pricey side but at least, as far I know, it's not comcast or at&t.

People who don't live adjacent to a public thoroughfare are sometimes quoted 5 or 6 digit installation costs for cable.

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1607004-charter-cost-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Comcast/comments/9ytg25/comcast_wan...

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9512648-TWC-TWC-wants-want...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/want-...

This is for those people.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by secfirstmd »

I'm currently in the middle of trying to help loads of human rights defenders in Myanmar plan to deal with the internet shut downs that are happening. Satellite stuff like Iridium is too crazily expensive to be useful. I really wish some thing like this was available.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by fomine3 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #22

I am not sure if this is wishful thinking but can Starlink lead to growth of smaller communities that are self-sustaining (produce their own renewable electricity, food, etc) that cannot simply exist due to connectivity constraints? I have a dream of the world where we live in 1-10k population small towns littered around the globe, connected through starlink and public ways, and the idea of cities would become obsole…

A fiber and 4G/5G station won't work for such scale community?

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by IgorPartola »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

One of the big issues I’ve had with anything but wired ISPs is latency. They specifically talk about 20-40ms latency being expected in most locations, but don’t specify to where. I currently get about 20 +/- 4 ms from me to 8.8.8.8 consistently. Is their latency to my first hop?

Also, what is their IPv6 support like? Can I get a routable /60 or similar? Static IPv4/IPv6? And do you need to use their router or can you hook in anything you want? Bandwidth limits? Any other restrictions, either via their TOS or through some kind of firewall? Is this experience ever going to approach something like fiber or even cable?

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by lotsofpulp »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #26
kortilla wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not really meant to compete with cable/fiber. This is for people stuck with geo stationary trash, dsl, microwave relay, etc. It’s a massive market and can take SpaceX to a trillion dollar company easily without ever stealing a cable customer.

The incredible thing is that despite not having to compete with wired connections, it is almost competitive with them. They likely have to price it a bit above wired connections just to keep load manageable in dense areas, but it puts an upper bound on how badly monopolist incumbents can treat their customers. While I don't think it will actually replace cable/fiber, I think it will drive prices down and service qual…

What is the latency? I find there is a material difference in my internet experience with 5ms fiber connection vs 100ms+ cable connection. I imagine it’s worse for satellite links due to the limitations of physics.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by gjs278 »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

has it gone offline

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

H8crilA wrote: post #35

Does anyone know how many users can be supported per dense area? Would this make sense in a city of 10k? 100k? 1M? Generally speaking Starlink goes against one of the main ideas in 5G, namely that of small cells.

Compared to other satellite Internet solutions, I believe Starlink has much smaller "cells". Obviously nowhere near as small as terrestrial 5G in dense areas.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by stefan_ »

samstave wrote: post #20
geerlingguy wrote: post #14

I was able to place an actual order just last week in St. Louis, MO. I will be using it and doing some tests in an area that actually has cable Internet (though spotty, and until very recently was limited to less than 20 Mbps up, no matter how much you paid). But you have to realize, when you look at the $600 initial cost and $100 monthly fee—this will bring 100+ Mbps down and 15+ Mbps up to so many places (even in s…

UH??? Serious Question: So are the early adopters subsidizing the masses down the line? i.e. so at $100/mo + $600 start-up/set-up fee -- thats for early adopters ... so the "african farmer who can pay And the encryption policy? The Privacy policy? The data-mining-of-location-history policy? Yeah, it's a Nope from me dawg... And I folow Elon closely, and I like a lot of what he says and stands for - but he is at the b…

I don't understand. Starlink is a narrowly tailored cool tech solution for internet access in remote or rural areas, not world hunger, inequality or evil.
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