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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by andrepd »

alexashka wrote: post #136
api wrote: post #14

Any time you have an industry where the number of people who want to do the work vastly outstrips demand and where there are gatekeepers, you are going to get a culture of abuse. It comes in various forms: sexual or other inappropriate favors for advancement, verbal abuse, or just abusive working conditions like sweatshop hours and burnout culture.

> Any time you have an industry where the number of people who want to do the work vastly outstrips demand and where there are gatekeepers, you are going to get a culture of abuse. You've perfectly described capitalism where every capitalist state consciously constrains the number of available jobs, maintaining a stable unemployment % among the populace. Once they've done that, people are always fighting each other a…

You're getting downvoted but you're right. It makes good business sense to have what Marx called a "reserve army of labour", a percentage of unemployed people such that there is always more demand for jobs than there is supply, ensuring wages and labour conditions get pushed down.

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Post by bsaul »

znpy wrote: post #168

The article is from nine hours ago. The interesting part will come, maybe, in the next days. It's going to be interesting if somebody from the pop scenes comes out to confirm those claims, in a sort of "me too" fashion. I mean, I would really like to see this topic discussed by more people in the industry. If anything, to help put an end to this kind of practices.

a metoo on sex in the music industry would be one reaction to the article, another would be a metoo about mafia involved and controlling your industry.

The second one looks much much gutsy tbh..

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Post by simlevesque »

diob wrote: post #280
yardie wrote: post #84

> the Mafia is very much a part of the music industry, I'm not too familiar with the pop side of the music industry. I dipped my toe into the Rap/R&B side of the business building websites for new artists. There were literal gangsters in the recording studios sitting across from me drinking and smoking and they made plans for every aspect of these young girls lives: what and when they could eat, who they could see, w…

This is why I don't understand the massive cultural obsession over KPOP. It's one of the grossest abusive industries, and anyone who wants to know is able to do a simple google to find out. Those fans? They could use their collective economic impact to help those folks they "love". Instead they just let them get used and abused for their fantasy.

Same with video games.

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Post by rozab »

texasbigdata wrote: post #101

This is probably the most interesting comment here. Especially (as a moderate to liberal) with the cancelling of Parkor which was deeply troubling. Is anyone speaking publicly and/or thinking deeply on this future of everyone in the value chain being able to deny freedom of speech? Obviously in some cases it's warranted (violence), but in others where the attack is very pointed (heard instances of cloudfare being pet…

>Is anyone speaking publicly and/or thinking deeply on this future of everyone in the value chain being able to deny freedom of speech?

Yes. Lots of people, all the time, everywhere. Please let it stop.

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Post by kodah »

Communitivity wrote: post #129

I saw comments talking about a hypothetical utopia where no one needs to go hungry and where talent gets notice without having to sell their body or soul. As with many things, the problem is not technological. We have the technology to create such a utopia (there would still be other problems, but the world would be utopian from those aspects). The problem is sociological. In order to do this we need to both all work…

> What's happening in Texas right now is an example. Texas had the money to buy snowplows. They didn't. Texas had the money to winterize wind turbines. They didn't.

Why would a state that only sees things like black ice distribute snow plows everywhere? I lived in that state for 20-something years and never saw these kinds of conditions. It always made sense for them to salt and sand the roads or expect to miss a couple days of work or school.

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Post by ben_w »

A12-B wrote: post #169
voldacar wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asexual people actually are the ones erasing their own existence. On a generational timescale, at least

Not really, because asexuality is not an inheritable trait, as far as i understand. It wouldn't have lasted this long in humanity if it was (maybe there were asexuals who have been forced to have sex? I don't know). It can also just be a lifestyle choice. We wouldn't call this asexuality probably, but nevertheless if someone chooses not to have sex it's kind of a spit in the face to say that everything from work to r…

> It can also just be a lifestyle choice. We wouldn't call this asexuality probably,

The word there is “celibacy”. It’s not like straight people make a “lifestyle choice” to not get aroused when they see an attractive member of the opposite sex.

> but nevertheless if someone chooses not to have sex it's kind of a spit in the face to say that everything from work to relaxation is undertaken because of some sex->power pipeline.

Not from what I’ve heard from people who make that choice. That group mostly consisting of Catholic priests.

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Post by WindyLakeReturn »

usrusr wrote: post #25
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

It's really simple I think: the vast majority of "transactions" won't be well defined "do x to get y" offers but just things that may or may not change certain odds. There's an entire spectrum between the extremes of pure romantic love and list price prostitution and I believe that the point were you really can't fool yourself anymore can be surprisingly far from the former.

Is pure romantic love devoid of transactions? Many couples involve two people giving commitment and expecting commitment back. Sure, not all couples are so monogamous, but many if not most are. People have expectations of what to receive from a relationship and when they don't, they consider ending the relationship. Point out a one sided romantic relationship people will tell you to find someone better for you. Sure, it is never put in the language of 'do x, get y'.

Many social groups who help each other with resources without keeping tabs still can recognize when someone is leaching off the group, especially when they recognize the person has the ability to contribute to the group but chooses not to. People who support someone without expecting them to be paid back often have an expectation of the relationship being two sided with sentiments such as "I know if the roles were reversed, you would do the same for me." In cases where the roles do reverse but they don't do the same, you see people quite broken. It wasn't ever a strict tally, but it does hurt the person that their relationship wasn't as too sided as they expected.

We even describe people as being enablers when they give to someone without receiving back what we think is due (with that last part being defined in highly situations terms).

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Post by phreack »

Communitivity wrote: post #129

I saw comments talking about a hypothetical utopia where no one needs to go hungry and where talent gets notice without having to sell their body or soul. As with many things, the problem is not technological. We have the technology to create such a utopia (there would still be other problems, but the world would be utopian from those aspects). The problem is sociological. In order to do this we need to both all work…

That's entirely right - here's an article you might like about your idea in case you haven't read it already. It's lately got me thinking a lot about the difficulties in simple organization.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

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