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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by orangecat »

rbtprograms wrote: post #288
abakker wrote: post #208

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Ah, the software Robin Hood, here to help the little guy understand how to best use their own computer... This is such a HN comment it hurts. Many people use iPhone and iPads as their primary devices because everything is easy and it all works. side loading apps is just not a concern that people outside of HN even have. This lawsuit is about Epic trying to not pay the same fees as everyone else not some giant ethical…

This is exactly the point I've been making to my friends who think like the commenter you replied to. "Forcing people to have some ability to load programs" is exactly why so many people use Apple products; because it's extremely intuitive for non-technology inclined people to use.

But Macs can run unapproved software, which makes them too complex and dangerous for the general public, right?

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Post by saagarjha »

There's already a lot of discussion about alternative App Stores, but I was wondering if we could talk about how Apple keeps spouting this line:

> the App Store guidelines that apply equally to every developer and protect customers

This is not only subjectively false, it is objectively false, provable with just a few minutes of reverse engineering. You don't have to be a fly on the wall at some secret meeting between corporate giants to know it, or listen to the plight of app developers. You can literally just go to Apple Configurator and download an IPA file for an app and inspect it to see that Apple does not in fact apply its rules equally to all developers. So why do they keep repeating this? Who will be the first party to hold them liable for perjury?

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Post by Strom »

zepto wrote: post #642
enragedcacti wrote: post #501

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I'm not saying they have no influence, I just have a problem with you _insinuating_ falsehoods with a statement like "Look into who owns Epic" as if you've just dropped the truth bomb exposing evil China as the mastermind behind two corporations fighting for who gets to make more money.

I’m not insinuating a falsehood. TenCent owns 40% of Epic’s stock, has a seat in the board, and controls access to much more of epic’s revenue than Apple does. TenCent can absolutely dictate a policy in relation to Apple to Epic if they so choose. China absolutely has interests in seeing a less powerful Apple, for numerous reasons. Does this mean the Chinese government is driving this policy? Of course we don’t know.…

> TenCent can absolutely dictate a policy

40% ownership does not dictate anything. They can make a stern request and threaten with some leverage. Ultimately it still won't be TenCent's decision.

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Post by dillondoyle »

aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

Even worse Apple doesn't seem to apply the same rules to themselves. Will News, App Store have the same semi-optin warning screen before use? They both have app install advertising somewhat similar to FB.

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Post by Strom »

zepto wrote: post #460
infinityplus1 wrote: post #453

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Why do people move to America when there is crime happening there? Maybe there are good things in America as well. You appreciate the good things and then try to fix the bad things.

This is a false analogy. All countries have crime, and the switching cost is immense. However some countries are much worse than others which makes it worth it. Phones are at parity in terms of features, and the switching cost is trivial.

You have a point when looking at Zimbabwe or something. However people move from Canada to USA too - or from Northern Ireland to Ireland.

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Post by kingsleyopara »

chungus_khan wrote: post #110
dieortin wrote: post #80

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Until you’re forced to download the FB App Store for Facebook apps, the Epic Games store for theirs, the Google App Store for Google applications... It’s not true users who don’t want to side load have zero skin in the game. The entire ecosystem would suffer.

Why hasn't it on Android then?

Supposedly (if you buy into Epics recent lawsuit against Google) because Google have abused their power to prevent it...

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Post by katbyte »

danShumway wrote: post #679
katbyte wrote: post #553

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it's not trivial? its multiple accounts and multiple things to install and juggle - not everyone has the latest and greatest computer. Not to mention are you 100% sure those stores and your purchases will continue to exist longer than steam ect? regardless, I hate it too but i really don't care, companies like EA and epic can do whatever they want and i just don't install or play games not on steam or the ps4 stores…

> Not to mention are you 100% sure those stores and your purchases will continue to exist longer than steam ect This is more of people complaining about DRM and acting like giving Steam a monopoly over the market is a solution. If you're worried about a company going under and you losing your purchases, the solution to that problem is to not tie game access to an account . People are looking at a clearly inferior sys…

well no, because let's say there is no DRM, and the store does go under, and then your computer explodes and you don't have the terrabyte of games you own backed up somewhere, your SOL at that point?

Like while i trust sony to a degree i don't trust nintendo so all my switch games are hardcopy. I trust steam more then i trust EA/epic and thats on top of the not wanting to deal with multiple stores/ect.

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Post by [deleted] »

Strom wrote: post #776
zepto wrote: post #460

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This is a false analogy. All countries have crime, and the switching cost is immense. However some countries are much worse than others which makes it worth it. Phones are at parity in terms of features, and the switching cost is trivial.

You have a point when looking at Zimbabwe or something. However people move from Canada to USA too - or from Northern Ireland to Ireland.

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by zepto »

Strom wrote: post #776
zepto wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false analogy. All countries have crime, and the switching cost is immense. However some countries are much worse than others which makes it worth it. Phones are at parity in terms of features, and the switching cost is trivial.

You have a point when looking at Zimbabwe or something. However people move from Canada to USA too - or from Northern Ireland to Ireland.

Right but it’s still not comparable.

Moving even between counties is not comparable to just spending a few hundred dollars on a phone.

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