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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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You may have but the rest of the world did so with a lot of hand-wringing and a boatload of viruses, toolbars, malware, and everything else. As someone who has worked in IT and in tech support, I get and agree with what Apple has done.

I went into your history and ALL of your comments are for defending Apple on Apple related stories or defending Apple on non-apple related stories. You are clearly an Apple shill. How much are you getting paid?

You might like it or not, but his argument here actually stands.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

If Apple charged a reasonable commission level - say 5-15% - these problems would not occur. 30% is completely uneconomic and drives all of the profit to the platform owner. That's why were seeing so many acquisitions. The problem here is with the 30%.

How old are you? Have you ever asked yourself "why developers went to the new and empty Apple App Store in 2008 in mature market with Nokia and others"?

The answer is very simple - commissions before Apple's 30% were 50%-70%. That's why Jobs conducted that presentation with slide regarding with 30% fee - it was unprecedent for those times.

Also there is also another question - how did you calculate that 5-15% is reasonable? You need to have solid arguments to defend your position. But no one provided - even Epic's lawyers such data. Also most of apps in Apple's App Store are free, so Apple is paying for the whole development/maintenance of infrastructure (delta updates etc.)

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Imagine the same choice on a PC. Microsoft doesn't allow a ceeatin software just switch to MacOS or Linux. All the software you previously bought is useless and you have to buy it again. So because multiple AppStores is too much of hassle you need to keep multiple smartphones or buy the same software twice.

Considering the tight integration of the OS and the hardware, I would offer the comparison that it's more like a CPU not allowing any code that's not signed by Intel to run. Or, more aptly, only allowing one specific OS to run on their CPU and that OS has a restrictive policy on application usage. Sure, you could go with AMD but does having other choices excuse a company? It certainly violates the spirit of anti-trus…

Apple makes and controls 46% of all the mobile devices in the US because their methodology for designing, building, distributing and iterating on the product is successful. Consumer satisfaction, retention and growth are bi-products of this success. Apple doesn't play mean tricks to gain market share. They simply build great products, invest more in innovation (CPUs) to continue making great products. The m1 chip shows this. You can't pick apart what Apple does and give it some attribute/feature of an ecosystem model. Right now the market is Apple vs. ecosystem. Consumers have choice to buy from Apple, or buy from an ecosystem. We should focus less on trying to handicap Apple and start figuring out how a leader in the ecosystem can rise above it to compete with Apple head on.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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It is parasitic, but I think in the bigger scheme of things, Valve is a lesser evil than Epic, which is in itself a lesser evil than Apple. Valve is investing in its own capital as well as the infrastructure for the PC gaming industry at large (Vulkan and driver improvements), whereas Epic has no endgame but to gain market share using bottomless VC pockets. Apple, while a company with some merits, utilizes vertical i…

You and I must have different definitions of parasitic. Apple is providing services to developers and, in exchange is receiving payment for that. Developers shouldn't be able to take advantage of the benefits of the platform without paying for it. Everything else you said is irrelevant.

Apple does provide services but.yoj cannot opt out. It is by definition rent seeking.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

Choice is better than not having it.

Who's gonna pay for supporting that "choice" and new attack vectors like when we had tons of Fortnite malware after launching Epic Game Store outside Google Play Store?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I hate the fact I have to use Apple TV to watch Servant, Disney+ to watch The Mandalorian, Netflix to watch Stranger Things, and Amazon Prime Video to watch The Boys, and HBO to watch Game of Thrones, and so on. I'd much rather all of those other companies gave Apple a 30% cut of their revenue.

It'd be nice if these companies could come to an agreement, but 30% seems to be too high a cut.

Do you have any research why 30% is high and 20% is OK?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

I don't get how you can be against having more options/freedom with your device

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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One solution is Apple could add a feature where you voluntarily pay $50 to not be able to use other stores, and you could purchase it.

I would like to see that experiment play out. Somehow the locked down 'S' version of windows is not very popular.

> Somehow the locked down 'S' version of windows is not very popular.

It doesn't have any benefits.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

This sucks, but who is guilt for this, the giant publishers, why? because AppStores have a big tax , so competition that would lower the tax would solve the problem, Is same with video streaming, the giants don't want other giants to get a big cut without working hard. IMO , AppStore competition should be like web hosting, competition is large enough so you have enough choice to buy exactly what you want. Imagine if…

30% is one of the lowest fees in the market. Amazon's Twitch takes 50% fee. Also Tencent, who is behind Epic Games lawsuit takes 50% fee in China with their Android App Store.

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None of those sounds like a very bad user experience. A very bad experience is games disppearing different games appearing after purchasing something else, games not working, memory usage too high..etc No user reviews, no easy help button for noobs, no cloud save, only recently got achievements, can't crush a friends party. all sound like little nice to haves that don't add much value. Does it allow me to find/play t…

Then, no offense, but you might not understand the market very well. Achievements and friends are table stakes these days. Games are primarily a multiplayer experience with friends so platforms absolutely need those things before locking games as exclusives. This would be like shipping an OS without internet access to end-users.

An OS doesn't ship with internet access. You may get internet as a separate service later and connect it to your computer which has an OS.

I'm not sure you understand the market. If saving to the cloud is a must have feature your game will provide it. Ditto for multiplayer. No one is refusing to play a game because the platform you purchased the game on doesn't have an easy help button.

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