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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by A12-B »

benburleson wrote: post #30
A12-B wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Or, is the lack of sex about power, reinforcing the axiom?

The 'axiom' (idiom) is not that the lack of sex is power, but that everything is sex, and sex itself is power, therefore everything is ultimately about power. But you cannot take sex our of that equation. So it implies that anything you do, even if you don't care about having sex at all, is about sex. Doesn't make sense.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by A12-B »

eqvinox wrote: post #51
A12-B wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

I think you misunderstand the phrase; it's about society as a whole, not individual people. Things are implicitly about sex and power on an ingrained level, and asexual people are just screwed (SCNR) even more by this.

I disagree with that. Not everything is implicitly about sex, maybe everything is about power (strong maybe) but sex is not a precursor to that. That said, you are probably right that the things that are about sex and power end up disadvantaging the asexuals.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by shakow »

agumonkey wrote: post #33

The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped due to refusing debasing their core values. I have a feeling that only those ready to overcome any such hurdles have the grit to pursue a stage life, but I can be wrong.

> The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped

I don't think so. What they need the most is publicity, and this is not magically granted by internet.

Just take a look at e.g. Spotify; I'm sure there are hundreds of extremely gifted artists sitting down at barely a few dozens listenings, just because no one found them.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by xwdv »

im3w1l wrote: post #68
thn-gap wrote: post #44

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Thousands of employees devote already 1/3 of their life doing a work they despise just so they can avoid starving. Getting literally fucked to save 40 years of bad work doesn't sound too bad.

It's a race to the bottom though. Once one person does it, everyone else has to do it too, just so they don't fall behind. In the end you are back to where you started, except you have to sell yourself in addition.

You're selling a service, not yourself. There's plenty of people for whom a sexual favor is not a big deal, and they see it as a huge return on investment.

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Post by voldacar »

A12-B wrote: post #26
subpixel wrote: post #9

I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Asexual people actually are the ones erasing their own existence. On a generational timescale, at least

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by kgwxd »

throwaawwaaaay wrote: post #53

HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.

Sleeping your way to the top isn't what's under fire. It's the people in positions of power expecting sex.

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Post by A12-B »

lostgame wrote: post #54
A12-B wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Came here to post this, glad I didn't and forget we can't post about asexuality here. As an asexual person, not only are we not respected whatsoever here, but in my experienced, also personally attacked. That your comment about erasure is getting this many down votes is unfortunately absolutely common for HN, and I'm incredibly disappointed in that. Before people jump in who might not be asexual to try to defend this…

It's ok. If you even slightly hint at being self righteous or virtuous you will get downvoted. I saw it coming the second I said 'asexual people exist', which is just a declarative statement of fact and nothing more.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by pjc50 »

subpixel wrote: post #9

I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

It might have gone better if you'd said "aphorism" rather than "axiom", because boy howdy are there a lot of people in these comments who don't know what an aphorism is and are taking it literally.

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Post by lostgame »

azeirah wrote: post #66
lostgame wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to post this, glad I didn't and forget we can't post about asexuality here. As an asexual person, not only are we not respected whatsoever here, but in my experienced, also personally attacked. That your comment about erasure is getting this many down votes is unfortunately absolutely common for HN, and I'm incredibly disappointed in that. Before people jump in who might not be asexual to try to defend this…

I found that HN is generally not very friendly to LGBTQ+ people. I don't think it is because there's a certain type of phobia here, but most people here are very logical and analytical people which I've seen resulting in "logical arguments for and against the existence of ..." which is just.. Why We exist because we exist, nothing else.

And to speak up about it, as obviously pictured once again here - gets us downvoted into oblivion, only confirming our feelings of being unheard...

For real, it's been such an issue here I have had emails with an admin but didn't press the issue further and I think it's due time to send another one. They really did seem to care and to be concerned.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by Jochim »

throwaawwaaaay wrote: post #53

HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.

Can you really not see the difference? In prostitution sex is the product being sold. In other environments sex is a distorting factor that puts those not willing to engage in it at a disadvantage and can cause great harm when it becomes an expectation.
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