The internet is enabling a new norm in reducing the cost of calling out behavior.
Some of this is good, e.g. calling out sexual abuse. Some of this is bad, e.g. cancel culture that has no means of forgiveness.
'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'
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#62I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.
Says more about the speaker than sex itself. Sounds like the words of someone with mental health issues.
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#63HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.
So you'd rather keep things as they were? Make this a permanent barrier to entry?
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#64I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.
I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.
It's also leaves out everyone for whom sex is not about power. It's like saying knives are for stabbing, which is true, if you're going to stab someone.
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#65what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?
An important topic here is that shame is also a construct, and it is a collective construct. Certain things are shameful in one culture, not in another. This isn’t to say that we don’t have a gut feeling when something feels wrong. We have an inner sense of boundaries which eg. can be damaged by trauma and deeply affects our ability to connect and such. But when it comes to adult relationships there is a wide spectru…
I don't quite buy that; whatever your cultural norms are, there will always be a significant problem with any kind of forced violation of this kind.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.
Came here to post this, glad I didn't and forget we can't post about asexuality here. As an asexual person, not only are we not respected whatsoever here, but in my experienced, also personally attacked. That your comment about erasure is getting this many down votes is unfortunately absolutely common for HN, and I'm incredibly disappointed in that. Before people jump in who might not be asexual to try to defend this…
I found that HN is generally not very friendly to LGBTQ+ people. I don't think it is because there's a certain type of phobia here, but most people here are very logical and analytical people which I've seen resulting in "logical arguments for and against the existence of ..." which is just.. Why
We exist because we exist, nothing else.
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#67HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.
It's almost as HN is filled with actual real human beings with different opinions and emotions, some of them think legalizing prostitution should be done and some of them think using your body for industry favors is bad.
Both of these can be true too... We can be horrified that people abuse their positions of power to force people into sex to achieve a life goal while at the same time believe that prostitution should be legalized for those that choose to go down that path in life.
Legalizing behaviors doesn't endorse them either. It removes some of the danger inherent in the behavior.
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#68It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…
Thousands of employees devote already 1/3 of their life doing a work they despise just so they can avoid starving. Getting literally fucked to save 40 years of bad work doesn't sound too bad.
It's a race to the bottom though. Once one person does it, everyone else has to do it too, just so they don't fall behind. In the end you are back to where you started, except you have to sell yourself in addition.
Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'
#69It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…
It makes my wonder, just how prevalent is that in the tech industry? I'm pretty sure it falls somewhere between 0 and music industry, non-inclusively.
Probably a lot less of a problem since so many tech dudes are dudes.
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#70HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.
So you'd rather keep things as they were? Make this a permanent barrier to entry?
It's a barrier or an open door, depending on what you are willing to do.