'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry' • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by Humdeee » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #15

nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

Now we’re just haggling over the price.

I'm appalled, what kind of a man do you think I am?

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by SuoDuanDao » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #33

The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped due to refusing debasing their core values. I have a feeling that only those ready to overcome any such hurdles have the grit to pursue a stage life, but I can be wrong.

I wouldn't put it that way, but I think you're referring to something real. I'm not musical but I was quite active in theatre from a young age and there seems to be a skill around dissociation that is necessary to perform. There's something incredibly intimate that happens between a performer and the audience, someone comfortable with that kind of intimacy with that many strangers probably couldn't have certain kinds of core values anyway.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by 3np » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:04 PM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

It makes my wonder, just how prevalent is that in the tech industry? I'm pretty sure it falls somewhere between 0 and music industry, non-inclusively.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by thn-gap » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

Thousands of employees devote already 1/3 of their life doing a work they despise just so they can avoid starving.

Getting literally fucked to save 40 years of bad work doesn't sound too bad.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by adamisom » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

johnchristopher wrote: post #40

nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

> if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. What's the name for this kind of arguments? Also, why specifically Bezos? Why not the billionaire next door? Also, why only the HN crowd? Wouldn't a lot of people too? Do you have a beef with the HN crowd or Bezos?

I perceive your parent comment to be straightforward and not sinister in the least. Why not Bezos (the billionaire who most easily comes to mind), why not HN (the website we're on)? Seriously, what's with the weird angry insinuating questions.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by saalweachter » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

subpixel wrote: post #9

I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

Money, power, sex and elephants.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by ericol » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #15

nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

Now we’re just haggling over the price.

I recognized this quote.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by Udik » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #34

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

An important topic here is that shame is also a construct, and it is a collective construct. Certain things are shameful in one culture, not in another. This isn’t to say that we don’t have a gut feeling when something feels wrong. We have an inner sense of boundaries which eg. can be damaged by trauma and deeply affects our ability to connect and such. But when it comes to adult relationships there is a wide spectru…

Exactly. Insisting on how shameful and/ or traumatic some experiences must feel is, deep down, incredibly puritanic.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by throwaway894345 » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

alistairSH wrote: post #27

FriedrichN wrote: post #3

I would be surprised if it wasn't the case. Industries like these have too many 'king makers' and people idolize the established figures too much. It's basically the same mechanism by which the abuse is facilitated in closed religious communities.

And US Gymnastics and other sports.

Russian ballet comes to mind as well

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by illwrks » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 2:10 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #33

The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped due to refusing debasing their core values. I have a feeling that only those ready to overcome any such hurdles have the grit to pursue a stage life, but I can be wrong.

The answer to that question is a "no".

Those large companies are distributors, packaging a product and selling it to consumers. Think of distribution like a motorway Vs dirt road. If you're doing it yourself, you're running down that dirt road trying to get from point A to point B, battling with millions other people trying to do the same. If you're with a distribution company, you're on their branded luxury touring bus cruising down a motorway, you'll be arriving any minute...