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Gold is also a poor place to put your money. The long term average is both volatile and underperforms most indexes. https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-...

Gold is not in price discovery because its been around for so long and already had its ETF moment (which is why its stagnated since that massive run). But gold has always performed cyclically. Long term (very long term) its done quite well. Not my cup of tea but it had its place. Going forward I expect btc will disrupt it and flip its value (JPM making the same call).

Price discovery happens constantly and continuously. It's supply and demand.

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This time could end up being a bubble, but it is very different for many reasons. The first is that Bitcoin is thriving as a store of value. It hasn't seen much adoption as a payments system and is unlikely to do so in the future, but 2020 saw many notable people using adopting Bitcoin as a store of value. See MassMutual, Paul Tudor Jones, Stan Druckenmiller, Tesla, among many other examples. The second reason is tha…

> These defi protocols are generating huge cash flows. This is real people using decentralized technologies built on blockchains like Ethereum. I'm fairly new to Crypto so I don't understand this: it's looking like all cool new things are built on Ethereum (which, itself has grown quite a lot) so why is Bitcoin rising? How are Bitcoin & advances in Ethereum-based techonologies correlated?

Bitcoin was the first and is still the most famous cryptocurrency. So good news for any cryptocurrency is good news for bitcoin. Most people at this point know that btc exist, they probably don't know what eth is.

Bitcoin as collateral. Given many people got extremely rich off of bitcoin, they can use bitcoin as collateral for altcoins.

Wrapped bitcoin. Bitcoin can be wrapped in a ERC-20 ETH token backed be an actual bitcoin, similar to stablecoins (USDT, USDC, etc.) and traded using smart contracts

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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So it sounds like lemming group think. It seems like someone one should hold “just in case,” but no real valid reason to do so yet (that I’ve heard). We know transactions are slow and expensive, so it’s not a good replacement for ordinary commerce. It can be used to transfer across borders, but there often is asymmetry in capital movement that makes this difficult in the places you need it most (poor countries with r…

I'm also still wrapping my head around this just like you, but I think I understand enough to answer some of your questions. > We know transactions are slow and expensive, so it’s not a good replacement for ordinary commerce. I don't think that this is obviously true. Digital transfer of the US Dollar is similarly slow and expensive (see: ACH, Wire, SWIFT). The response you'll hear the most frequently is that BTC (an…

> Digital transfer of the US Dollar is similarly slow and expensive

And with ACH, wires, swift, the slowness is a feature not a bug. It's one of the ways fraud is combated, for example. I seriously doubt it's fundamentally a technical limitation of the technology used, but rather a choice.

But as you said people aren't doing this with BTC -- and if they're not, then this removes one of the use cases that would warrant it's value, so you're only arguing my point.

> The benefit of BTC over USD is that there is a way to "mail someone a briefcase of cash" without having to actually mail them

You also seem to forget about checks -- no one ever sends bricks of cash in USPS unless you're a drug dealer running a YOLO life. But you also ignore ACH/wires/credit cards and all the ways most money moves today. What is the fundamental issue there that Bitcoin solves?

> Again, you want to compare BTC/ETH to the actual currencies, rather than the institutions that engage with those currencies

You're right, however regulations exist that enforce institutions use USD. Those are largely good things.

> With Bitcoin, you ... can? Like if the endgame for Bitcoin was “universal adoption by corporations and institutions as a digital store of value,” then that sounds like a good and permanent and somehow fundamental result?"

But is/will that happen? These issues that I point to make it a less good option.

> I won't pretend that there's an objective answer, but neither should you; the fact that it removes the tool you describe can both be described as a feature or a bug, depending on your political leaning.

It's a tool that gets removed. Being global means there's no local way to adjust things to current circumstances. Just look at Greece in the EU -- because they went on the Euro, with a totally different economy than Western Europe, they got all of the deflation with a GDP that couldn't keep up, and as they piled on the debt they didn't have any levers to pull. Unifying global currency is a terrible idea when you have very uneven economic realities around the globe.

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The only cryptocurrency that might one day become real “internet money” is nano , because it has no fees and transactions are almost instant.

Nano is fast and free because it is not used much. How many transactions per seconds did they achieve? I think it was in the ballpark of a 100, much too low for a global currency. Let's say 10% of the earth population want to use nano once a week. Then you need 0.1×8e9/(7×24×60×60)~1000tps. Then it might replace paypal, but not cash or card, and the microtransaction usecase is even farther away. Indeed it seems bette…

Algorand is interesting. It’s the first decentralized proof-of-stake blockchain. It’s also created by Turing award winner, Silvio Macali.

https://www.algorand.com/

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The "price" of two coins in terms of fiat currency is not comparable. It depends on the total supply. The current total supply of ETH is ~120M vs BTC's 21M. If ETH was limited to, say, a total supply of 1000 coins the price would be astronomical. Also ETH doesn't have an upper limit to the total supply, therefore its scarcity is not the same as BTC.

So if there was a cryptocurrency with only one coin, the value of that coin would be even more astronomical, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin

If you can get people to buy/use it (like BTC, ETH, and countless others did), yes it would be.

The number of coins is just a definition. Bitcoin has satoshis (similar to cents) that represent one millionth of a Bitcoin. You could have defined it such that Bitcoin is actually a single coin worth $1T, and BTC is 1/21,000,000th of it.

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Yeah, one of the problems with the BTC model. You either get convenience or security but not both. I had a similar problem where bter disappeared with 137k of doge[0] in my account. [0] about $20 when I put it in IIRC.

That's nonsense. It's incredibly easy and convenient to move BTC out of an exchange account to something you control (hardware or software wallet). Hell, some hardware wallet GUIs even have the ability to buy crypto baked right into the app (trezor suite for example).

That's what the OP says. It's either security (your wallet) or convenience (exchange).

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I looked into nano because it kept getting mentioned. Seems like the only way to acquire it is to buy it from someone who already has it. Somehow, that isn't very motivating.

Originally it was distributed in a very fair manner, compared to other coins; it had a faucet which required captcha solving to get coins: https://medium.com/nanocurrency/the-nano-faucet-c99e18ae1202 Now, yes, you have to exchange for it from other currencies, as there is a finite supply which has already been issued.

Yeah, see, finite supply entirely in the hands of early adopters doesn't really sound very legit to me.

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So it sounds like lemming group think. It seems like someone one should hold “just in case,” but no real valid reason to do so yet (that I’ve heard). We know transactions are slow and expensive, so it’s not a good replacement for ordinary commerce. It can be used to transfer across borders, but there often is asymmetry in capital movement that makes this difficult in the places you need it most (poor countries with r…

>So it sounds like lemming group think. It seems like someone one should hold “just in case,” but no real valid reason to do so yet (that I’ve heard). Honestly what more do most people have? You could work your entire life but even all the earnings and scrimping and saving isn't even be a tiny fraction to what you would have if you had been the one to fulfil the order for the bitcoin pizza and just held. Think a lot…

We used to call them Ponzi schemes. This is the same but in slow motion. People are going to start taking their profits at some point and whoever takes them last will be holding the bag.

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The forefront of the Bitcoin frenzy isn't even on the blockchain, it's at the exchanges. Hardcore tech people and those who don't (or can't) trust institutions with their Bitcoin will pay the transaction fees to get their money out of exchanges and into their own wallet. The average retail investor, however, doesn't want to be their own bank. They just want in on the price action, while letting the exchange manage th…

> That said, Tesla's Bitcoin purchase does make a lot of sense ... They then announced their Bitcoin purchase with fanfare that drove the price up, marking a quick return on their investment. Tesla is a car manufacturer! It doesn't make any sense at all! At any company that made sense, a CEO would lose his job for gambling $1B of company money in a casino totally unrelated to the company's business interests.

What Elon understands is that if you are interesting you don't have to pay for advertising. Tesla got hundreds of millions in advertising for this and it cost them nothing but a bit of risk on some of their cash position.

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You probably missed it, since the hype around it has been going on for a while now. If the cycle continues like it has a few times now, there will be a big crash / correction, things will be very quiet around BTC / Crypto again for a few years, and then the next surge will happen. Not financial advice, but if you have BTC, sell now - or sell half, whatever. At least make sure you have your investment back. If you don…

I've read this exact same advice now easily 5 times in the last ten years. Draw what conclusions you want, just an observation.

Depending on when you heard the advice it may well have been correct each time you saw it.
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