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Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#81

Not sure I'm so keen on Python driving my car. I've looked through some of the code and I think for me to buy into the safety the quality of the code would need to be improved, well commented, and audited.

Haha I just had a horrifying throught about troubleshooting broken virtualenv installs and deadlocked dependencies, while on the side of the road with a car that refuses to start.

That actually sounds like a software developer horror story. Like goosebumps for devs.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#83
post #32

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Yes, this has been his project for many years now - he threw a fit and fled to China in 2016 when the NHTSA sent him a Special Order requesting test data for the Comma One product, which he then cancelled and released as pseudo open-source (the ML model is still a closed black box).

> pseudo open-source (the ML model is still a closed black box). ? I am confused with this statement. Sure the ML model is a black box, but it's better than closed source completely with no model. It's more realistic to build the software yourself than training your own self driving ML system. I would still class this as still 'open source'.

The most fundamental part of the system, the one which makes driving decisions, is not open. I did not say anything about whether or not this was "better" than the product being fully closed source, only that it is not truly open, and I fully believe this. "Open source autopilot" implies to me that the autopilot is open - that an end-user can inspect, audit, and attempt to understand the decisions their vehicle is making. This is not the case for Comma - rather, it is an open-source CANbus translation layer attached to a closed source autopilot.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#85

Is it correct Comma.AI sees this as the following statement below appears to say, or am I missing something? If so, why would anyone be using this product outside of a test environment that’s fully controlled? — “Any user of this software shall indemnify and hold harmless comma.ai, Inc. and its directors, officers, employees, agents, stockholders, affiliates, subcontractors and customers from and against all allegati…

The whole point is they're selling you some hardware only (a modified Android), and it's legal if you yourself modify your own car or something. You have to manually install the software and mount it physically after buying this.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...

It seems well-tested and safe though, not something sizzling out the lab, they're just using a legal loophole.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#86
post #28

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Tesla has something like 4 billion miles driven with Autopilot. This apparently has 35 million miles. (It isn't a direct comparison, but the overall rate in the US is around 1 death per 100 million miles driven). Anyone who uses these numbers to even imply this is safer than Tesla knows nothing about statistics. It is way too early to draw any conclusions about Comma's safety. It is also probably too early to even dr…

> It is way too early to draw any conclusions about Comma's safety. I definitely would not consider any car with adaptive cruise control without driver monitoring, especially one that touts self driving capabilities.

Be my guest if you want to argue the merits of one system over another based on some technical specs or design decisions. My point is that the track records are not long enough to draw any statistical conclusions and the Tesla and Uber have killed people but Comma hasn't argument is at best wildly misleading given the large differences in miles driven.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#87
It seems like the market for a product like this (augmenting older vehicles) will diminish over time as more and more vehicles come with these features plus rolling updates and more advanced sensors standard.

If this proves to be the case, I wonder what the company will do to pivot

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#88
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Tesla’s product also requires driver monitoring. They explicitly say so, so your statement is clearly false. Not excusing Tesla’s faults but the volume of Tesla’s cars on the road compared to Comma’s would probably explain the difference in statistics.

> Tesla’s product also requires driver monitoring. They explicitly say so, so your statement is clearly false. Please state your evidence on this. Do they have a powerful driver monitoring system already? Is it being used?

They do. You have to touch the steering wheel everything couple minutes to prove you are focused. Video: https://youtu.be/QNadmzp_9Ag?t=292

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#90
post #38

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I know for sure Tesla and Uber has. Seems like Comma's product requires your attention through driver monitoring whereas Tesla's product is non existent in this area. And with Uber the driver was distracted. edit: Downvoters, i'm a bit confused here, so Tesla and Uber hasn't killed anybody then?

Tesla’s product also requires driver monitoring. They explicitly say so, so your statement is clearly false. Not excusing Tesla’s faults but the volume of Tesla’s cars on the road compared to Comma’s would probably explain the difference in statistics.

Tesla has had “driver monitoring” in that you had to apply some torque to the wheel, while the comma does gaze detection to make sure you aren’t watching a movie or sleeping.

AFAIK Tesla is adding driver monitoring cameras.

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