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Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#71

Would you drive to Tahoe in the snow with this?

Not sure that's the right question to ask. It takes two hours to get from San Francisco to Auburn, and it's highly unusual to have snow there.

Setting aside that I80 is generally cleared of snow very quickly, two hours of lane assist seems nice before tackling the remainder. And in most cases, it's more like "use this all the way to truckee and then drive the last 30 mins to squaw valley"

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#73
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is still very early in its development stage so they do not want much liability.

Nobody ever wants any liability if they can help it. But they shouldn't be marketing a product if they can't stand behind it.

This. I could understand an early access game "it can shut down any time" but this is kind of my/family/friends lives on the line.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#75

Shady alert: I just clicked on one of the testimonials ("Jason S Co") and it seems apparent that it is an employee of Comma, all retweets of comma's main twitter account.

I dont think there is an employee named Jason. Employees are active on discord and github.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#76
post #4

Anyone know if this has killed someone yet?

Human life is sacred. Absolutely. but. If we are concerned with cars killing people, we should get rid of cars. This FUD around self-driving == killing people will, in the long-term, cause more deaths than the handful of sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths. The only reason those car crashes get national attention is because they were self-driving. In every other way they are boring. Bicyclists hit by ca…

> sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths.

I disagree that they're sensationalized. Self-driving systems are designed to improve user safety, but when they end up making mistakes that human drivers _wouldn't_ make then it's appropriate to thoroughly investigate these systems.

> is because they were self-driving.

Well, precisely. We tolerate driving accidents because we know that the mobility that cars provide end up offering far more value to the world than the occasional accidents that we end up tolerating.

What's the trade with self-driving cars? What is the technology enabling that is worth the possible additional risks?

> car getting in a minor fenderbender and equating it with the safety of the entire car industry?

I don't think that comparison offers anything interesting, and it ignores the long and storied history of improving automobile safety. Look into Ralph Naders "Unsafe At Any Speed" if you really want to see people looking at "regular" accidents and deciding there was something to be fixed.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#77
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's pretty cleared being sold as a devkit. would you buy a PS5 devkit and expect it to be exactly the same as the retail PS5? I don't understand the issue here

"Yeah, but, John, if The Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists." ~ Ian Malcolm

Comma’s driver monitoring is the best in the industry. It is not at all unsafe.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#78

Is it correct Comma.AI sees this as the following statement below appears to say, or am I missing something? If so, why would anyone be using this product outside of a test environment that’s fully controlled? — “Any user of this software shall indemnify and hold harmless comma.ai, Inc. and its directors, officers, employees, agents, stockholders, affiliates, subcontractors and customers from and against all allegati…

It is still very early in its development stage so they do not want much liability.

Most software developers have mostly operated in largely unregulated domains, so there's a MISunderstanding of how manufacturer responsibility works in industries like automotive. Saying "I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING" in the automotive software space is the product liability equivalent of Michael Scott screaming "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY" in The Office.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#79
post #32

Wait, founded by George Hotz? As in GeoHot? The PS3 jailbreak guy?

Yes, this has been his project for many years now - he threw a fit and fled to China in 2016 when the NHTSA sent him a Special Order requesting test data for the Comma One product, which he then cancelled and released as pseudo open-source (the ML model is still a closed black box).

> pseudo open-source (the ML model is still a closed black box).

?

I am confused with this statement. Sure the ML model is a black box, but it's better than closed source completely with no model. It's more realistic to build the software yourself than training your own self driving ML system.

I would still class this as still 'open source'.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

#80

Shady alert: I just clicked on one of the testimonials ("Jason S Co") and it seems apparent that it is an employee of Comma, all retweets of comma's main twitter account.

Yeah, all three of the testimonials seem to be comma.ai employees. That's an awful look.

Pretty sure this statement is incorrect
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