>As journalists, we all view this as a horrifying assault on the public’s right to know, and on our own status as brave defenders of the public good. And that is all true, for what it’s worth. But this is about power. We need to take some back, lest the rich and powerful run away from one of the last forces restraining them. It's interesting that they seem to consider themselves the only ones with pure hearts. I'm no…
Journalism, particularly at the highest level, is about raw power
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Re: Journalism, particularly at the highest level, is about raw power
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>> But I want to ask all of you: what replaces it as arbiter of truth? A strongman. An idea that I attribute to Imre Lakatos, is that if you strip people of the ability to debate and discern facts, you create a power vacuum that can only be filled by those who can act in the absence of debate and facts, notably thugs and tyrants. I believe this is the actual motivation behind the "war on truth" and the flood of misi…
I don't think there is a war on truth. What we are seeing is fundamentally economic. If you can't make money reporting, only activists pushing an agenda will remain. This leads to a justified decline in trust.
Many "smart" activists found that with a little faux rage (and in the end, believing their own BS too), all these pundit, policy advisor, and advocacy jobs are there for the taking...
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>>> But I want to ask all of you: what replaces it as arbiter of truth? If "journalism" is entertainment, but nobody wants to pay for it, then it has no use and we should let it die. If it's an important resource required by our society, (so that we are not ignorant of whats going on in our neighborhood and world), then it's not entertainment, it's an essential service, and it should be publicly funded like our other…
The vast majority of essential services (e.g. food, housing) are not publicly funded, so the analogy doesn't really work. Also, there are obvious reasons why government-funded news might have problems, if its essential service involves investigating the government.
Those aren't "services", so there's that.
In many countries, however, power companies, the water company, central banks, rails, the hospital system, universities, etc, are, or were before the neoliberal attack, public.
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This is my biggest fear about the media. If they don't come clean and reclaim their integrity (this goes for both left and right outlets), the public will reject them. Discourse will move to blogs, podcasts, private networks, etc. In the process, the laws and protections for journalism will be weathered and may be abolished altogether (who needs those pompous journalists, right?). Then we'll be no better than a propa…
In the first paragraph, you argue for freedom of expression. Then, at the end of the second paragraph, you call for regulation against it. Huh?!
The questions is where to set the limits exactly and misinformation is indeed a grey area. Hence the discussion.
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#135This is an absurd characterization of the WaPo. Journalism, particularly at the highest level, is about power. It's about trading editorial positions and floating bullshit stories citing anonymous sources in exchange for insider access to (and financial partnerships with) powerful people and organizations, and advance leaks of their decisions.
Musk has decided that he's deriving no benefit from this traditional relationship. He already has the contacts in government because he is both a contractor and otherwise works in heavily subsidized industries, and also employs a lot of scientists who are employed as often by government as by industry. He doesn't need reporters to influence politicians or the public. His stock price is more likely to move (medium-term) based on tweets and press releases than any WaPo article, whose effects won't last out the week and are an opportunity to buy. These outlets have no authority, or leverage.
Musk realizes that he should be treated with kid gloves like any other major government contractor, ignored when not being defended or hailed. He's the girl. If an outlet chooses to start kissing his ass, that outlet will get all the inside scoops they can handle. Just pretend he's Raytheon.
edit: the press maintains its power by putting powerful people on pedestals, not on pikes. The way you get power is through powerful sponsors. Alienating the powerful gets you censored out of existence.
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#136A lot of people here are arguing that mainstream media had it coming for them because of bias, arrogance, pushing an agenda, etc. But I want to ask all of you: what replaces it as arbiter of truth? For all of the media's problems and imperfections, they have acted as a quasi-independent institution holding other powerful institutions and individuals in society in check. They have focused popular attention where it wa…
The Sinking of the USS Maine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish%E2%8... That's over 100 years ago. We can stop pretending that the media has ever been some selfless arbiter of truth and protector of the downtrodden. There is nothing to replace it in that role because it was never in that role. It has always been a tool for one group of powerful people to spar with other groups of powerful people…
The fact that the average person has been led to believe the opposite, shows how much power the media really has. If you asked most average people the importance of the office of the President and who holds it, I think it would be ranked pretty damn high. Not that I disagree with you. I think a lot of problems in society could be fixed with an honest retooling of society (but that finding people to do that impartially is as much of a challenge, if not moreso, than actually retooling society).
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I'd suggest to read Hunter S. Thompson's obituary on Nixon https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-... "It was all gibberish, of course. Nixon was no more a Saint than he was a Great President. He was more like Sammy Glick than Winston Churchill. He was a cheap crook and a merciless war criminal who bombed more people to death in Laos and Cambodia than the U.S. Army lost in all of World War II, an…
> Facts you can find on Wikipedia or in the phone book No no no! The facts on Wikipedia are supposed to be dug up by journalists!
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I love that obit because it's so funny. But to take it seriously? To look for guidance there, from Hunter S. Thompson? Bad idea. > Facts you can find on Wikipedia or in the phone book This is the problem. For the most part, journalists are using the same facts everyone has access to (from wikipedia, google searches, or...twitter). So why do we need journalists? To tell us what to think about the facts? To the extent…
"Uncovering new facts": yes, that's reporting. We need that. But there are actually too many facts. People can't read all the facts. We also need "analysis" - putting the facts in perspective, deciding which ones are important, and why. But, and here's where the press has failed spectacularly, we need that analysis to be unbiased, not pushing an agenda, but actually letting the data drive the narrative.
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#139This piece makes the case that the only way traditional media can hold powerful people accountable is by being the arbiters of their distribution, by controlling who gets published and how their story is told. The way things used to be before the internet. It’s a good thing this is not the case anymore. Big media is essential for democracy, but controlling distribution is not democratic. Big media has two options now…
Big media is essential for democracy? Democracy literally predates the printing press.
Not in any form we'd recognize as modern democracy.
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#140They are right that "raw power" is being wrestled from them by social media.
I am glad to see it, after seeing one-too-many hitjobs and too much activism all emanating from a singular and rapidly narrowing worldview.