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How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

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Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also a surprising number of people in the US believe that poverty is a moral failure of some sort. Yep, there's a marriage in the US between business and religion that seems contradictory until you realize that these people believe the "invisible hand" of the market is God.

> that these people Who? I’ve never met anyone who believes that.

Search for "Prosperity Gospel"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#52
post #25

This is going to sound egotistical, but it's not intended that way, just the experience of your average prole. The times that I have been the most successful, most motivated, most driven, most productive, and most useful, in study, career, relationships, and life, have tracked exactly with periods in which I've gotten out what I've put in. When I started my career and a company took a chance on me - we absolutely kil…

> The last year has been a period in which I've gone from wanting to take part in society, work on big problems like climate change, sacrifice for the greater good, donate my time and money [...] This might be the biggest problem human race has to solve. How to encourage and reward good behavior for the greater good. Economists would say it's a problem on how to price in externalities. It doesn't matter. I see it eve…

Well I mean, economic systems that attempt to leverage human benevolence have all failed. Capitalism at its root leverages our base qualities (greed, fear, desire, etc.) to motivate members to be productive. It has been the most successful system thus far, despite its many, many faults.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#53

This is going to sound egotistical, but it's not intended that way, just the experience of your average prole. The times that I have been the most successful, most motivated, most driven, most productive, and most useful, in study, career, relationships, and life, have tracked exactly with periods in which I've gotten out what I've put in. When I started my career and a company took a chance on me - we absolutely kil…

I can't really blame you, a bad system rewards this kind of individualism, and individualism then feeds into a bad system. In a better world we would consider human beings not as decentralised entities but as one big connected mass, and fixing poverty would actually raise everyone up.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#54

how I imagine (straw) hyper-capitalists think: "why is poverty bad? not because we have empathy for poor people, nah, just because poor people are not being optimally productive worker bees"

Keep in mind capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system.

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Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#55

The US doesn’t care about productivity but more about maintaining some sort of class system. It took me a while to realize this. Also a surprising number of people in the US believe that poverty is a moral failure of some sort. I never actually understood this.

I agree that in the UK class system results in people believing that working class people will probably stay there so tries to make conditions tolerable. In the US people are more likely to believe that anyone can make it if they try hard enough, so aren't too bothered that workers often live in poverty.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#56
Are the workers that are getting paid in advance 6.2% more productive or are the workers not getting paid in advance 6.2% less productive because of that? Both scenarios make sense to me. I can envision working better if I don't have to constantly worry about my financial situation. But I can also envision working less if I know some people are getting paid in advance, but not me.

Either way, boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#58
I'm not sure what's more shocking

those results or that it ain't obvious in {current_year}

anybody that escaped poverty could tell you about that "overhead", I guess?

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We can go further - generally people who spend 8-12h/day on warehouse working + commute don't go back to home and spend time on advanced mathematics, theoretical computer science and stuff.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#59
post #16

how I imagine (straw) hyper-capitalists think: "why is poverty bad? not because we have empathy for poor people, nah, just because poor people are not being optimally productive worker bees"

Why do you spend time imagining how straw men think?

when people ignore moral or ethical concerns due to ideology or simply different goals, it's useful to have evidence supporting an argument that fits into their worldview, so compromise or progress is possible.

that said, this straw man is pretty fleshy. there are definitely plenty of bosses who don’t care about or at least don’t prioritize the misery of their poor employees, for reasons concerning their own profit. in the absence of government action or mass labor action, i’m happy this study exists.

Re: How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive

#60
post #31

Sure, and universal health care helps even more but it doesn't fill the pockets of the members of the medical associations the way private health care does. Regulatory capture in its rawest form.

Wait, what - you say it is "regulation" that there is no universal health care? How so? It seems to me "universal health care" would be the regulation. What is stopping people from getting together and forming their own "universal health care" group? There must be millions who are in favor of it? Get 100 million people together, and offer health care to each other. What's stopping you?

> What is stopping people from getting together and forming their own "universal health care" group? There must be millions who are in favor of it? Get 100 million people together, and offer health care to each other. What's stopping you?

Some of them would have to put a lot of money at risk. When they do that, they usually want something in return. Well this is how corporations were invented. And those are regulated.

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