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Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Post by 542458 »

sneak wrote: post #37
542458 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s a government service (like power and water in many cases), that’s why freedom of speech as a right exists - to protect you from government retaliation for speech. For mobile connectivity and internet, similar rules apply if the service is a common carrier which recognizes the fact that while private, these organizations operate as government-allowed monopolies. For groceries, that’s a private business. If you…

No, the 1A was designed to protect you from the government. "Freedom of speech" is a separate matter entirely.

That’s fair, I should have written that.

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Post by kevan »

endisneigh wrote: post #8

Does there exist a de-platform proof way of hosting something on the internet? Even if you host your own server on your own premises they could forbid you from using the location, shut off your electricity, etc. Is it possible to host a website entirely on bittorrent? I suppose there's also IPFS but I'm not entirely familiar. Maybe once solar is cheap enough you could launch some sort of array of powered drones into…

Make a dark web[1] site? Basically make it impossible to link what you're doing to who your infra providers/internet connections are.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Post by wwww4all »

TameAntelope wrote: post #12

> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Does Twitter have right to kick someone out for being gay or being Asian or for belonging to some LGBT group?

According to your logic, Twitter can do that.

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Post by dd36 »

This made me realize that one reason many of us use cloud hosting is that our home internet is lacking, whether through caps or the lack of fiber deployment. It was easy for Congress to railroad the rights of private property owners and cities for 5G but they can’t seem to do it for fiber... Maybe this can get Conservatives to realize that unfettered broadband access lessens the power of the hosts.

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Post by AnHonestComment »

TameAntelope wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

You can’t live in a society without using other people’s stuff (practically, I’m sure we could come up with examples of ownership concepts being challenged). But living in a society means not upsetting people so badly that they won’t sell you groceries. There’s tons of ways to do that while retaining your ability to speak what’s on your mind, you just have to be thoughtful about how your words effect others, even if…

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Post by yannoninator »

this is all good except when people in a different country try access your service, they start to complain about your service being slow due to massive latency and lagging.

and then you wished you would have went to the cloud after all.

now you've got another problem.

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Post by dragonwriter »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #19
TameAntelope wrote: post #12

> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

None of those are freedom of speech, because none involve speech acts, or refusal to engage in speech acts.

They are freedom of association, but in some cases—in US law for the first consideration—they are within the scope of such freedom that government can (under the strict scrutiny test) and has chosen to (e.g., either as part of regulation of monopolies or as part of public accommodation law) limit.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

542458 wrote: post #30
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

If it’s a government service (like power and water in many cases), that’s why freedom of speech as a right exists - to protect you from government retaliation for speech. For mobile connectivity and internet, similar rules apply if the service is a common carrier which recognizes the fact that while private, these organizations operate as government-allowed monopolies. For groceries, that’s a private business. If you…

I think we both have an understanding that a person should not be left without essential services or be punished without some kind of due process.

If so, the government centric line of argument does not get you anywhere, because there are many essential services are not government owned or controlled monopolies..

My electric, water, internet and mobile suppliers are private Same goes for the bank. There are only a handful of companies in each category in the country, and they could wake up tomorrow and remove me from their network.

You can either have personal liberty, or oligopolies with contracts 'we can remove you at any time for any reason'. Not both.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Post by 13415 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #33
13415 wrote: post #13

I doubt running your own server is always the right solution.There are pros and cons for and against hosting yourself. A small company without dedicated security team may get hacked and all customer data exposed, for example. Contrary to what this article insinuates, the vast majority of companies do not have to worry about violating the terms of services of cloud providers and other external services, because they d…

"the vast majority of companies do not have to worry about violating the terms of services of cloud providers" https://blog.checklyhq.com/why-the-recent-digital-ocean-kill...

A personal anecdote why some blog poster is scared and worried about ToS of cloud providers? Sure, go ahead and host your website in your mom's basement. That's exactly my point, a company who has reason to believe they will violate the ToS of business partners should not make business with those business partners. It's kind of trivial.

That's why Parler was such an epic fail, not because they didn't host everything themselves. They were acting as if they'd care about free speech - unless it wasn't totally compatible with their personal views, in case of which they'd ban instantly - and did not prepare in the slightest for contingencies and were caught in the cold. All of that in the light of plenty of precedents, ranging from Napster over Piratebay to ISIS propaganda websites. It baffles my mind how a company could be so unprepared.

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Post by rvz »

tpmx wrote: post #26
gerikson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's when I stopped learning how to admin systems so I am very down with this...

Well, it works. So much money is wasted with AWS. (Look at at their margins.) It's useful in development/testing. It's irresponsible to use managed services that don't have an easy migration path to something open.

It works for comma.ai as they are self-hosting their deep-learning system in house and not in the cloud with these huge costs.

Deep-Learning in the cloud really is a scam and a complete waste of money.

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