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Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it'd be trivial to increase the user's speed to Netflix servers if they've visited Fast.com in the last three minutes or similar?

Thanks to TLS, Netflix and Fast are indistinguishable. All your ISP knows is the IP address you’re talking to. They’d only know that you visited Fast in particular if you were using your ISP’s DNS, which you shouldn’t be using anyways :)

Except SNI will leak the domain name of the host you are connecting to.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> Most datacenters only lease by the rack. These racks can hold up to 42 servers and are far too expensive.

Hurricane Electric will happily lease you an entire rack for $400/mo with a 1Gbps connection. I would argue that, in comparison to the prices the OP mentions, Hurricane Electric's price is quite good. Also, there is one fewer middleman between you and the Internet (and power, and rack space, etc, and the front door, etc).

(I believe that $400 number does not include vast amounts of power, so the actual price tag for filling that rack with conventional hardware may be rather higher. On the other hand, depending on your use case, fitting in a small power budget may be straightforward.)

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it'd be trivial to increase the user's speed to Netflix servers if they've visited Fast.com in the last three minutes or similar?

Thanks to TLS, Netflix and Fast are indistinguishable. All your ISP knows is the IP address you’re talking to. They’d only know that you visited Fast in particular if you were using your ISP’s DNS, which you shouldn’t be using anyways :)

Personally I trust my ISP DNS a hell of a lot more than Google/Cloudflare. Why would I want to give them even more data about me?

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

Power supply and water are utilities. Mobile connectivity and internet are not. Groceries are not.

Someone else's speech isn't a protected class, except for speech due to religion. Discrimination based on things that aren't a property of being in a protected class is legal for any non-utility.

Personally I'd say that internet service providers should be utilities and regulated as such, but currently they aren't so the ISPs are allowed to decide what speech to carry.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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post #9

It's kinda funny that apart from the headline this post is a typical circa 2005 tutorial on how to run your own large volume website cheaply.

That's when I stopped learning how to admin systems so I am very down with this...

Well, it works.

So much money is wasted with AWS. (Look at at their margins.)

It's useful in development/testing. It's irresponsible to use managed services that don't have an easy migration path to something open.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Would advise using brain rather than simple pattern matching and memorised response. Author didn't mention a violation of freedom of speech.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

It also seems to miss the point that you will always use something owned by someone else as long as you exist in a connected world. It's also why the problem exists: being together also means having to deal with conflicting directions and since you don't "own" everything your direction might not "win".

The same goes for getting deplatformed: if you are being nasty the problem isn't the non-governmental org removing you, that's a symptom of nobody wanting to deal with you. (or nobody 'big and easy')

Just because it looked good, or looked like a lot of people were 'with' you, doesn't mean it's true and doesn't mean it keeps looking that way if the barrier to entry gets higher. Hanging around in a browser and 'liking' or otherwise interacting/spreading things isn't actually a replacement for "a group of likeminded people sharing ideals", it's much more comparable to schoolkids forming groups.

At some point we might see a digital platform that is expensive enough and has a higher entry complexity to actually only grow and maintain people that are 'true' to the ideals fostered by that platform. Only then do we have an example that would be 'real' enough to converse about.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

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Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

If it’s a government service (like power and water in many cases), that’s why freedom of speech as a right exists - to protect you from government retaliation for speech. For mobile connectivity and internet, similar rules apply if the service is a common carrier which recognizes the fact that while private, these organizations operate as government-allowed monopolies.

For groceries, that’s a private business. If you run into a grocery store and cause a scene or do something the owner doesn’t like the owner can remove you. There are fairly narrow exceptions to this, such as how you can’t usually be discriminated against for being a member of a protected class.

Freedom of Speech in the US was never designed to protect you from other people, it was designed to protect you from the government.

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